Wikipedia:Picture peer review/Victory Monument

Victory Monument
I like this picture so much I made it the main image in one of my WP:FAs (South Side (Chicago)). I think it may be VP-eligible even though it is from a point and shoot.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:27, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I have added this to Douglas, Chicago-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 15:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I have added this to Fountain of the Great Lakes--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Creator:TonyTheTiger


 * Nominated by: TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:27, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments:
 * Tilted, off-centre, poor lighting (the main figure is all shadowy, and pretty much without detail in the thumb and even on the image page - you have to go full size to really get anything). For mine it's taken too far back - if you're trying to get the monument you don't need so much space around it. If you were trying to get the base as well, you've cutoff one side. And either way, I doubt it needs so much space above and below. I couldn't see this passing at VP, but give it a try if you want and see what others say. --jjron (talk) 16:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)--jjron (talk) 16:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There are a couple other pics on the article page. Do you think any of the others is better technically?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:51, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Compositionally File:20070601 Victory Monument (3).JPG is better - if it had been taken from the front, it's more what I'm talking about (but it still suffers from the tilt and poor lighting). Aesthetically I don't mind File:20070601 Victory Monument (7).JPG, but of course it's too far away to really get detail on the monument. --jjron (talk) 17:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think of the three the only one where the sun was with me is the one presented here. How is the lighting better on the others?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it possible that the main figure is just too dark to capture along with the full monument. This seems to be a pretty sunny day and I have the sun on this photo? It seem the tilt and centering might be mild enough to be corrected.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The lighting's not better on the other ones - they just look nicer aesthetically or better compositionally. That's why I'm not saying any of them are up to VP/FP standard. Given I don't know this place it's hard for me to comment on the monument and whether it's too dark. But one thing to consider is you've taken this at 12.19 in June - midday in summer in Chicago. That's always going to lead to harsh shadows unless it's a pretty overcast day. Try a different time of day/year when the sun's not so bright or overhead. Have a read of Golden hour (photography) for starters. --jjron (talk) 05:55, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That time is approximate because my camera is off by an hour half of the year. Can I nominate a pic requesting tilt/centering adjustment? Also can you do a nom with three alternate pics at VP?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:48, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You can nom three alts if you want, but in general it's better if you can decide beforehand. The Graphic Lab might be willing to help out with adjustments, but as I said about PPR, if you swamp them with all these images they are likely to baulk. :-) Also worth reading How to improve image quality. It would be best if you learnt to do some of that stuff yourself, those things aren't hard to fix. If you don't have or can't afford a commercial program like Photoshop, Photoshop Elements, or Paintshop Pro, you could give the free GIMP a try. --jjron (talk) 16:35, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't want to pay for a commercial program because I don't pay for stuff on WP. I am going to try to get GIMP going.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:14, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Seconder:
 * Nominated at VPC. MER-C 11:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

