Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Comics/archive1

Comics
Essentially, I'd like to see what's necessary for this to become a featured portal. So any suggestions/advice along those lines would be welcome : ) - jc37 22:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice progress so far, but requires some work:
 * Major:
 * Nomination links for the featured article, selected picture, and DYK section.
 * Archival links for those including the news section.
 * Moderate:
 * Please include images of the comic strips at the "Featured article" section.
 * The selected picture section doesn't have a credit.
 * Make the introduction display as a section with a "The Comics Portal" on its top.
 * Minor:
 * Link 2006 on all full dates at the news section. Also, "September 15" - 2006?
 * Avoid repetition of the portal's name (e.g. "Comics-related Lists" > "Lists").
 * "Wikiprojects" > "WikiProjects".
 * "Showcase articles" > "Main topics", and format that section properly with subsections and bullets. Remove bolding of featured articles.
 * "Comics Wikiprojects on Wikipedia's sister projects" > "Associated Wikimedia".
 * Unnecessary/duplicate links and texts: "edit bullet points", description of targets at the WikiProjects section, "Please feel free to add or subtract from the list."
 * "Show new featured content..."> "Show new selections", make it bold instead of italic.
 * Simplify: If you are interested in helping to develop our comics-related articles, please click here. Other tasks you can help Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics with are; > Here are some open tasks:.
 * Include years at the first and last events, and link the full dates properly.
 * "Did you know":
 * Rename to "Did you know..."
 * Bullets (optional).
 * No space between the three periods and text.
 * Selected article should appear in bold.
 * Include image of something relevant to one of the DYK's rather than a question mark.
 * "Contribute" > "Things you can do".  Michaelas10   (Talk)   16:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Here are some impressions. Rfrisbietalk 22:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The boxes don't display very well for me (I use IE).
 * The Selected picture border breaks up part way down.
 * Many box borders are wider than their headers.
 * The edit link is below the header (by design, I believe). Not a big fan of this.
 * I would remove the year in the "Comic News" items.
 * The "Showcase articles" layout is hard to follow.
 * If possible, get rid of some of the "white space" in columns.
 * Get rid of the different background color in sisterprojects box.

Queries

 * Where you say "Nomination links for the featured article, selected picture, and DYK section." can you explain what you mean. The featured articles are selected randomly from all current comics featured articles.
 * Regarding the inclusion of images of the comic strips at the "Featured article" section, it was my understanding of WP:FUC that we can't use copyrighted images in the Portal space.
 * Also can you explain what you mean by "Archival links for those including the news section."
 * Finally, why do you feel we need to remove bolding of featured articles in the Showcase articles section? Hiding Talk 23:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * In that case, make places where users can nominate articles, pictures, and DYK's to appear randomly or at a time. Please see featured portals as an example of the system. I suggest switching from "Featured article" section to "Selected article" since there are currently less than 10.
 * Archive anything that either appeared before or appears randomaly, like you currently do with articles.
 * Since it would be made a topics section, bolding featured articles would be useless.  Michaelas10   (Talk)   14:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd personally rather leave it as featured articles. Yes there are currently less than ten, but hopefully that will improve sooner rather than later.  I would rather show what is unarguably the creme of the creme.
 * No, I still don't follow you regarding the archiving. The news is all archived.  Nothing else changes as yet.  There's no point archiving images, it's all there in the history of that page.
 * Hmm, I hadn't assumed it was going to be a topics section. Can you clarify how these would help the portal become featured?  I haven't been as involved in Portals as I once was, so maybe the scope has changed, but when the first few were chosen it was simply that everything was tickety boo.  What you are proposing seems to me to be very minor issues. Hiding Talk 14:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it will pass an FPC without a proper archival system. Looking in the history of the section makes sense but might be difficult to some viewers.
 * A topics section listing top priority articles is required for each portal, see Portal/Guidelines.  Michaelas10   (Talk)   14:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * They're still active. I tagged those as historical back in September.  Those are only meant to be advice, not actual rules.  And I don't really see the difference between topics and articles.  I'm sorry but I'm really starting to feel confined by all this bureaucracy. Hiding Talk 15:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Whether they are an advice or not, it would certainly be helpful to list the major topics of the subject for readers. There is a lot of difference between topics and articles, as the latter are usually more minor and non-general.  Michaelas10   (Talk)   15:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but this simply feels like a semantical discussion. Articles have topics, therefore they are synonymous.  I really cannot see the distinction you seem to be able to. Hiding Talk 16:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Hiding somewhat in this: Several of the comments above seem to be opinion of personal preference, rather than consensus. Though I would be happy to see links showing differently : ) - jc37 12:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Comments from Rfrisbietalk 03:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Intro: The intro narrative is atypical of portal intros. They usually parallel the main article intro. This seems weaker than the article intro. The font size is larger than the other section, it's distracting. No simple edit link to it.
 * Featured article: I assume they're all featured. The one I checked was. The expectation is to include an image with each.
 * Selected articles: This is typically called "Topics" or "Main topics." No obvious sort order to me. Books image seemed unrelated to comics. Centering was distracting.
 * News: Five-month-old news isn't. Displaying year in every date is unnecessary.
 * Events: Lots of external links. Wikilinks would be preferable, at least as main links.
 * Cats: Okay, intro unusual. I don't get the icon.
 * DYK: Heading usually "Did you know..." Main link for each item should be bolded.
 * Contribute: Called "Things you can do". Don't say "click here". Inconsistent formatting. Plainlinks preferred. Unusual icon selection. Invitation at bottom unnecessary.
 * Portals: Wikipe-tan cropped too tight. portals belongs at bottom of page.
 * Projects: Italics unnecessary.
 * Media: Mixed backgrounds.
 * Archive/Noms/Rotation: All updatable content should include links to archives and a nomination process. I only saw a featured articles archive. It is highly recommended to implement an automated rotation system for all "Selected" content. The Random portal component template would be cleaner than using the current randomization code embedded on the main page.
 * Header & Footer: Footer out of place. Redundant purge link at bottom of page.
 * Boxes & Background: Box border display improperly. Edit links display below the headers. Some box bodies are wider than their headers. Little or no padding between columns.
 * What's not there: (Optional) Anniversaries/On this day. A section like this might be interesting if enough content is available for a monthly rotation.
 * Overall: This portal has so many design distractions I have very little interest in sticking around to browse the content. It needs a major face-lift just to bring it up to acceptable. If you're interested in working on an overhaul, let me know and I'll help pitch in where I can.
 * Yes, and your help would be entirely welcome : ) - jc37 11:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, great! One way we could proceed would be to work a "to do list" at the portal's talk page. I put one in. Rfrisbietalk 15:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Fram's woking on the in this day at the moment, so you can strike that one if you like. I believe we aren't allowed to use fair use images in portal space, so that's another concern my end, you indicated we should include images with the Featured article's.  And they are all featured articles. I still don't get this point about archiving.  What is it we are supposed to archived? Hiding Talk 20:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right about not using fair use images in portals. Basically, an "archive" is a subpage that includes items that have been/can be displayed in the applicable section. A "nomination" is a subpage where new items can be suggested. In practice, these can be the same page. They should be linked at the bottom of the applicable section. See the Religion Portal for lots of examples. Rfrisbietalk 22:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For the "this day" section, I'm down to 26 days without any event, all the others have between 1 and 8 events (about 1,000 in total). I'll continue working on it off and on the next few weeks. As for images, this is a general problem on this portal, since almost all interesting pictures are fair use and thus cannot be used. The major exceptions are portraits of authors, and a handful of comics that are no longer copyrighted... Fram 15:56, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I get what archives are for, but I can't see how they're useful on this portal since nothing gets nominated. Is there some bias in the Featured Portal process which insists on portals having items nominated? Can't people just change stuff as they want and let the page history be the archive?  I'm not clear what this emphasis on archives is about or why they are necessary.  I'v ebeen out of the portal loop a while, granted, but I don't remember them being done back when the Featured standards were set up.  Starting to regret not putting it through back then.  I followed the model of Portal:Cricket, which I see is still a featured portal. Can't see any archive links there.  Hiding Talk 16:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)