Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Scientology/archive1

Portal:Scientology
Cirt 06:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Checking to see if there is anything else that can be done to improve the quality of this relatively new portal further, before taking it to WP:FPORTC. The portal has 10 selected articles, 10 selected biographies, 10 selected pictures, 15 selected hooks from articles that have appeared at Did you know?, and 20 quotations from individuals with preexisting articles on Wikipedia.  Each of the entries in the selected article, biography, picture, Did you know? and quote sections are randomly chosen and the portal can be purged to show new selections.  The article was modeled primarily after elements from featured portals Portal:Sustainable development and Portal:Psychology. I have to acknowledge  for creating the portal initially, and  for his expertise and advice about portals.

Comments —Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardF (talk • contribs) 15:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)  &larr; Goofy robot! RichardF 15:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Looks good! :-) Here are a few touch-up suggestions I haven't already mentioned somewhere.

Portal:Scientology design/review checklist. RichardF 13:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Intro (good/important): Add "More about Scientology..." link at bottom.
 * Articles (top 10): Nice job balancing them out for length.
 * Bios (top 10): Looks good. Isn't there a free-use pic of Hubbard anywhere?
 * Pics (top 10): Okay. Consider linking credits where possible.
 * News: More like "Olds" but still useful. Reformat dates more like Portal:Sustainable development but with years included.
 * Events (Y/N): Not used.
 * Contribute (project to-dos): A bit clunky. It would look better in a single format with larger font for readability, e.g., like above portal.
 * Cats (core): A little image would be nice.
 * Topics (main): Not having its own section is unusual. The intro style worked very well for the Psychology portal because of all the "Bla bla bla psychology" articles out there. It was a way to more fairly do the "More about Psychology..." link. Think about whether more topics could be added to a separate "Main topics" section.
 * Lists (Y/N): Not used.
 * DYK (Y/N): Looks good. Any little pics? :-)
 * Portals (related): Some folks might debate what's included. We'll see.
 * Projects (main/related): Any project from "Related portals?" There's a disconnect here.
 * Media (Y/N): I assume the links work, didn't bother checking.
 * Archive/Noms/Rotation (manual/auto scheduled/random): Good use of randomization.
 * Header & Footer (standard/+): Okay.
 * Boxes & Background (palettes): Yuck!!! >;-o) For some strange reason, the purple & gray has grown on me a bit. Someone probably will nominate this for deletion because of the colors. ;-) You can see some other palette examples at User:RichardF/Palettes/Portals with a wider range of samples at User:RichardF/Palettes.
 * What's not there (required/optional): "Main topics" section.
 * Overall: Very well developed and presented. Touch it up and send it to WP:FPORTC! :-)


 * Comment
 * Re: -- Thanks for the above suggestions, I will try to address a few of them, and respond to them here, below.  I'm assuming that some of these points above are not deal-breakers, but just more additions/useful things to consider adding to the portal?  Cirt 13:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Correct, none of my comments are deal-breakers for me. We're about to find out what others think. :-) RichardF


 * Addressing specific points from above
 * ✅ - Added to the Intro section, "More about Scientology..." link at bottom. Cirt 13:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC).
 * ✅ - Free use pic of Hubbard? See Talk:L. Ron Hubbard, I read somewhere in there or in the talk page archives about a discussion about this.  The Church of Scientology legal team is quite protective of images of Hubbard getting out, so a "free use" picture is even less likely.  There was some debate over use of this image that I read about (Image:L. Ron Hubbard Life & Death.jpg, or cropped, Image:L. Ron Hubbard - crop.jpg), but it was deemed inappropriate in a biographical article, more like an artistic piece/statement.  Cirt 14:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 1) ✅ -- Linked credits to appropriate pages, for all selected picture subpages. Cirt 14:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 2) ✅ -- Reformatted News section, per above suggestion. Cirt 13:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 3) ✅ - Contribute (project to-dos) - Reformatted, modeling after Portal:Sustainable development. Cirt 14:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 4) ✅ - Cats (core) - Added image. Cirt 14:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 5) ✅ - Added a Main Topics section, modeled after Portal:Sustainable development. Cirt 14:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 6) DYK - I'd rather avoid using pics here, for spacing uniformity in the portal. Did enough work on the spacing/formatting of the various sections already :).  Also, probably not too many free-use pics available, as some hooks describe companies w/ logos, people w/out free use pics, and books w/ only fair use pics.  Cirt 14:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 7) Portals (related) - Yes, some people will probably not agree with certain things chosen here, but I tried to pick some areas that most would agree at the least are relevant to the topic. Cirt 14:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 8) Projects (main/related) - Not sure this would be a good idea, to open this up to what is and is not a "related" WikiProject. I think it's best to focus attention here on the main WikiProject itself, because one of the main goals of the portal is to focus attention/work on articles in need of improvement/collaboration within the portal's main topic itself.  Cirt 14:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Boxes & Background (palettes) - I actually do like the current color scheme, but if you can suggest something else specifically, I'd love to see/discuss it. I am also not quite sure yet how to change/switch the various color schemes.  Cirt 14:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Color preferences are so subjective I just wanted to point it out. If Scientology had some sort of color scheme somewhere, that would be interesting to try out. RichardF 15:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You are right, color preferences can be subjective. I don't think there is much of a color scheme yet established for this on the project.  I like it the way it is, but I will discuss this more/address it if others comment on it at some point.  Cirt 15:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC).

I have addressed I think the bulk of the suggestions from above. Think this portal is ready for WP:FPORTC ? Cirt 14:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Ready for Featured Portal Candidate ?
 * You might want to wait a few days to see if anyone else comments. If not, go for it! RichardF 15:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll wait a coupla days on this. Thanks for all of your help!  Cirt 15:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC).


 * Comment: Richard did a good job reviewing the portal. Just a few comments —
 * Categories and Main topics should be italicized for consistency with headers.
 * In the categories box, there is too much spacing after Scientology.
 * I don't think Scientology in Wikinews is needed since it is linked to at the bottom of the box.
 * I think you could change Current events on Wikinews → More from Wikinews... or even More... for consistency.
 * In the news box, Month Date, Year - → Month Date, Year:
 * Quotes → Selected quotes
 * Wikimedia → Associated Wikimedia (see the Religion portal)
 * I think in the biography and did you know boxes you had More... instead of Read more... so it wouldn't "collide" with ...Archive/Nominations. In that case, I would suggest also changing Read more... to More... in the articles and pictures boxes — just for uniformity.
 * I would suggest creating and linking to an archive for news.
 * Good job — [ sd ] 12:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for these additional suggestions,, I will begin to address them and note them here, below. Comment: -- Addressed all of the above points from. Cirt 12:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Comment
 * 1) ✅ -- Italicized the headings for the Categories, and Main Topics sections. Cirt 12:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 2) ✅ -- Reduced image size to decrease spacing after Scientology, in the Categories section. Cirt 12:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 3) ✅ -- Removed header Scientology in Wikinews. Cirt 12:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 4) ✅ -- Changed Current events on Wikinews → More... Cirt 12:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 5) ✅ -- In the news box, Month Date, Year - → Month Date, Year: Implemented this change. Cirt 12:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 6) ✅ -- Quotes → Selected quotes Implemented this change. Cirt 12:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 7) ✅ -- Wikimedia → Associated Wikimedia Implemented this change. Cirt 12:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 8) ✅ -- Changed Read more... to More... in the articles and pictures boxes. Cirt 12:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC).
 * 9) ✅ -- Created an archive for news, right on the news page using .  (Current format and number of seven entries retained, for portal spacing uniformity.)  Cirt 12:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Comment - Looks good to me. I don't think there is anything like an official Scientology colour scheme. I more or less chose the existing color scheme as a copy of that of WikiProject Scientology, thinking that they had some reason for choosing it there. And I was the one on the Talk:L. Ron Hubbard page asking about free images of Ron. It seems that the Church of Scientology has been very diligent in buying up any and all photos they can find of the subject, presumably to prevent anyone ever altering one for purposes the church wouldn't like. I'd left messages with WikiProject Science Fiction (one of their members provided the data above), WikiProject Nebraska (where he was born), and WikiProject Montana, where he spent his teens. No one's indicated that they know of any free use images of Hubbard yet. John Carter 19:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the edification on your prior efforts, good to know. As far as the Hubbard image, unless we want to go with Image:L. Ron Hubbard Life & Death.jpg, or cropped, Image:L. Ron Hubbard - crop.jpg, I'd say it's not altogether that big a deal not to have an image for that one.  The reader can easily find images of Hubbard elsewhere online, if they are so inclined/interested after reading information on the project.  Cirt 19:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Comment: Thanks for the timely response to my suggestions! I think the portal is ready for a featured portal nomination. Happy editing, [ sd ] 23:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, glad to hear you think it's ready for WP:FPORTC. I think I'll wait a little bit longer as  had recommended, and then start the nom.  Unless y'all from above think it's ready for a nom now.  Cirt 04:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC).
 * It's been featured-worthy all along. It's just a matter of giving folks a little time for touch-up comments here, rather than having to see them on the nomination page. It's just a duck-in-a-row thing whenever you're ready to pull the trigger. ;-) RichardF 04:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh no, I understood you from the beginning. I'll wait a little bit longer.  Cirt 04:21, 4 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Given it a good few days on WP:PPREV, gotten some good suggestions, implemented a bunch of changes as a result, and also got some good quality feedback. I'm going to go ahead and archive this peer review.  Cirt (talk) 00:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC).