Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2008 December 19



Image:Ed Rendell.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  14:42, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

The image is from http://www.co.greene.pa.us/secured/gc/images/GovRendell/GovEdRendell.jpg which is State Government not US. Rockyobody (talk) 14:05, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:Mayor Giuliani.jpg and Image:Rudolph Giuliani.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Deleted- F ASTILY  (TALK) 01:48, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Image:Mayor Giuliani.jpg and Image:Rudolph Giuliani.JPG are exact duplicates of Image:Rudy Giuliani.jpg and must be deleted.
 * Comment - Both of the non Commons images have been tagged with NowCommons. You may want to consider using that in the future in situations like this.--Rockfang (talk) 12:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Both deleted. --B (talk) 16:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:CSSPalmettoState.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:06, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

This image - actually it is the CSS Chicora - appears in James Morris Morgan's Recollections of a Rebel Reefer (1928). The artwork is dated 1901 (?) and is the work of Robert G. Skerrett (died 1947). The book is not pre-1923 and the artist has not been dead 70 years, so this may - may - not be a free image depending on whether Skerrett's artwork was published elsewhere. Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You must be working with a later edition of the book. Recollections of a Rebel Reefer was published in 1917. You can see the image in question on a plate between pages 82 and 83. This is unquestionably in the public domain. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:28, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Stifle (talk) 14:16, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
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Image:Holly m.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as I9 by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Image taken from http://l.yimg.com/img.movies.yahoo.com/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/the_last_samurai/holly_marie_combs/lastpre2.jpg Dudesleeper / Talk  05:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:Simeon King Music Producer.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as I9 by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Promotional image with clear watermark, tagged as CC-SA 3.0 and GFDL. Seems unlikely. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 06:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Image deleted as blatant copyright infringement. Sorry, I'm not sure how to "close" this discussion. J.delanoy gabs adds  06:19, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:Dan_Marino_Statue.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as I5 by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Likely a Derivative work and not CCA 3.0 Rockfang (talk) 06:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * So I can't use a picture of the statue at all?► Chris Nelson Holla! 06:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You could possibly use it as fair-use, but that is one reason I brought it here. I was hoping for clarification.--Rockfang (talk) 06:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The issue is Freedom of panorama. In the United States, it only exists for buildings.  As stupid as it is, photographing a statue is considered creating a derivative work and only the original copyright holder can authorize a derivative work.  You (Chris) still hold exclusive  copyright to your photograph and nobody can use it without your permission, however, neither you (nor anyone else) can use it in a way other than fair use without the permission of whoever owns the copyright on the statue.  On Wikipedia, I think a lot of times we are more don't ask/don't tell on photos like this and unless someone makes an issue of it or it's a major high-publicity thing (eg Eiffel_Tower) most of us tend not to care to much - but that's just my personal opinion.  Technically it is a violation and if Wikipedia received a cease and desist for using it in any way other than fair use, we would have to take it down.  So no, tagging it as a free image does not meet our copyright policy. --B (talk) 17:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * So is there no way it can be used?► Chris Nelson Holla! 17:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Technically it should only be used in accordance with our fair use rules (ie, in the Dan Marino article to illustrate a section on the statue). Do I think this is silly and petty?  Yes.  Are there plenty of occasions where we ignore this rule?  Yes (any photo of a mascot that was created after 1963, for example, or - and I hate to mention it as someone is surely going to nominate them here - most of the photos in Bobby Bowden Field at Doak Campbell Stadium).  So no it can't be used, but we usually stick our fingers in our ears and hum loudly when something like this comes up where the photo is unquestionably user-authored.  Honestly, we need to come up with a separate rule for photos of this kind - treat something like this as "semi-free".  You 100% own the copyright to your photo - it is merely an unauthorized derivative work, but any conceivable Wikipedia use (even decoration on your user page) would obviously be a fair use under US law.  You would probably get sued if you tried to sell framed prints of your photo, but that's a you problem, not a Wikipedia problem.  So we really need a separate rule for this kind of thing - a tag that says "the photographer has released all rights to this image, but your ability to use it is beyond his control because it incorporates a copyrighted statue yada yada yada". --B (talk) 18:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Since when are fingers stuck in ears? I've never heard of this semi-official policy.  I fail to see how this is not a clear-cut case of copyright infringement.  In light of Bridgeman v. Corel, it seems pretty straightforward, as the photographer is trying to present an accurate depiction of the sculpture.  The issue only seems murky because the U.S. does not have the exception that many other countries have.  In regards to your hypothetical tag, the "your ability to use it..." clause clearly points out the such images are unfree.  -Seidenstud (talk) 20:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it's not an infringement - any conceivable use on Wikipedia is a fair use of the photo (not in terms of our fair use policy, but in terms of what a court would uphold). --B (talk) 22:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, that was a slip on my part and also not being clear. I didn't mean that all usage on wikipedia would be an infringement. Clearly, we have fair-use for a reason.  I meant that to use it as a free or "semi-free" image without fair-use needed would be. -Seidenstud (talk) 08:31, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:Walgreensromence49024.JPG

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

orphaned, includes corporate logo, and as unused probably falls under I5 as well Skier Dude  ( talk ) 07:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

This work is my own creation with the different photos taken by me, some of them which I have already placed on wikipedia.

Thanks for not deleting this image.


 * Which doesn't answer either of the questions - orphaned (see Wikipedia is not an image warehouse) & I5; includes the corporate logo (possible copyright infringement per Freedom of panorama). Skier Dude  ( talk ) 23:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:North-Karnataka Region Tourism attractions -- updated map.JPG

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

collage of images, unlikely uploader is (c) holder of all of them as well as of the base map Skier Dude  ( talk ) 07:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

This work is my own creation, which is created by the photos taken by me, some of the photo I already placed on wikipedia. Manjunath doddamani Topics (talk) 08:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Please, then, provide a source for all of these pictures and the base map - also see Wikipedia is not an image warehouse as it is orphaned.  Skier Dude  ( talk ) 23:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:Catrina Gheorghe.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  14:42, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Looks very much like an official photo, so serious doubts wether the uploader (User:Eurocopter_tigre) is actually the copyright holder. DavidDCM (talk) 10:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:SMS Szent Istvan.png

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The result of the discussion was: Keep; for now- F ASTILY  (TALK) 01:48, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Picture taken in 1915. I doubt the uploader owns the rights to this image. J Milburn (talk) 10:57, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct, but this is likely in the public domain per Anonymous-EU and/or PD-US-1923-abroad. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Stifle (talk) 14:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


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Image:Promo1.png

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Unclear source.  MBisanz  talk 13:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:Seven Color Television 2.PNG

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  14:42, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Source and license do not match, no permission given.  MBisanz  talk 14:25, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:Bishop Suriel.gif

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Pretty much zero chance this is a user-authored image B (talk) 16:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:SydDioceselogo.gif
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Pretty much zero chance this is a user-authored image B (talk) 16:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:Jimbo fisher.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Some guy's facebook album is not a source of free images. B (talk) 18:14, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:Bobby Bowden08.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Some guy's facebook album is not a source of free images and this is obviously a news media photo. B (talk) 18:14, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:Euronymous.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as I9 by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Most likely a non-free image claimed to be made by this person. Google Euronymous, and it's there in several hits. Erzsébet Báthory(talk 18:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Image:Autopsy 1990 2.JPG
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as I9 by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Most likely a non-free image claimed to be made by this person. Google Autopsy + death metal, and it's there in several hits. Erzsébet Báthory(talk 18:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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