Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2011 February 15



File:Karo Qakhedjian.JPG

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  05:03, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Karo Qakhedjian.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * see commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Karo Qakhedjian.jpg Magog the Ogre (talk) 01:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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File:Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri Şeref Madalyası.jpg

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 * File:Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri Şeref Madalyası.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * see commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Türk Silahli Kuvvetleri Seref Madalyasi.jpg Magog the Ogre (talk) 01:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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File:Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri Üstün Cesaret ve Feragat Madalyası.jpg

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 * File:Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri Üstün Cesaret ve Feragat Madalyası.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * see commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Türk Silahli Kuvvetleri Üstün Cesaret ve Feragat Madalyasi.jpg Magog the Ogre (talk) 01:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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File:DewarsAdPaintedByTatsCru.JPG

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  05:03, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * File:DewarsAdPaintedByTatsCru.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * see commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:DewarsAdPaintedByTatsCru.jpg Magog the Ogre (talk) 01:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * agree. please delete. -05:26, 1 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Selket (talk • contribs)
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File:Nene sign.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Magog the Ogre is spot on in their summary of the situation, and in giving the discussion a read, we apparently still have no clue. My recommendation is to move the file to Commons, because (A) if the file's license is acceptable locally, it will also be acceptable on Commons, and (B) there would be no fair use justification for using this image without the free license. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * File:Nene sign.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * No freedom of panorama in the United States. Kelly  hi! 04:17, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hm.. It doesn't mean is forbiden to take pictures outdoors in the US does it? walk victor falktalk 18:52, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh, no. See commons:Commons:Freedom of Panorama or Freedom of panorama. It just means you can't publish photographs of a modern statue without a license from the artist, because the statue is copyrighted and the photograph counts as a derivative work of it. In some other countries such photographs are free if the statue is located in a public space. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It would be nice to know when this design first went public, as it likely didn't have a copyright sign on it. It also might (or might not) be the work of the federal government (many state signs are synchronized through the feds, which they can legally pull off by threatening to refuse tax dollars for roads in non-compliant states). If, at the very end, we still don't have the slightest clue, we might consider closing the discussion as no consensus and moving it to commons, where they are much more knowledgeable about copyright oddities like this one. Magog the Ogre (talk) 00:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
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File:Hbrodkey.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Hbrodkey.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * see commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Harold Brodkey-New Yorker.jpg Magog the Ogre (talk) 05:19, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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File:Pfc bradley.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:07, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Pfc bradley.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Image of a US soldier, but no evidence it's PD-USGov-Military-Army. Looks more like a private snapshot. Free replacement exists, so keeping it under NFC is out. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. I would like to know on what part is the contested use of this picture based on copyright and on what part on wikipedia policies? Thank you. walk victor falk<i style="color:green;">talk</i> 09:28, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The issue of whether this is in fact in the public domain is a legal issue of US copyright law. The crucial question is whether the photo was taken by a US employee or soldier in the course of their official duties. The second issue, i.e. that we cannot alternatively invoke "fair use" in case it turns out not to be public domain, is a matter of Wikipedia policy, because WP:NFC excludes fair use justifications where free alternatives are possible. Hope this clarifies it for you? Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:33, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does, thank you. I have changed the description accordingly . <sup style="color:green;">walk <i style="color:green;">victor falk</i><i style="color:green;">talk</i> 16:12, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. But I'm afraid you have now missed my last point: we cannot invoke WP:NFC if there already is a free file that does the job. We don't specifically need a picture of him in uniform (we know independently what such uniforms look like.) By the way, your rationale doesn't work for a number of reasons, most prominently, the claim that it "adds critical commentary to the article" is strictly meaningless. An image cannot comment on anything. Only text can comment. Is this phrase still present in some model rationales floating around somewhere that people copy from? In that case, I'd be very grateful for a pointer so those models can be corrected. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:12, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm bad at legalese, and those rationales often sound to me like vaporous circumlocutions. I try to imitate them as best I can. Probably it's useful for not re-inventing the wheel every time when labelling an image. As regards "critical commentary" specifically, if someone is quoted as saying "I would never do such a morally reprehensible thing as X", and then you put a picture of that person doing X in that text, without a single word whatsoever, that's very critical commentary indeed. <sup style="color:green;">walk  <i style="color:green;">victor falk</i><i style="color:green;">talk</i> 18:37, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


 * If you go to apimages.com and search for #110108122919 they have this image and they credit it as "(AP Photo, File)".  So barring actual evidence that it is a US government-authored photo, I think we have to assume that it really is owned by the AP and delete it. --B (talk) 21:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I was pretty sure that Governments are not allowed copyright on anything. If I'm wrong, someone please show me some evidence.  In any case, it appears all over the web, including in reliable sources and prominent newspapers, with no mention of copyright.  Gregcaletta (talk) 03:26, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Definitely in the public domain. Here the photo on the right of Assange is given with a copyright, whereas none is given for the one on the left: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/11/29/2010-11-29_wikileaks_dump_soldier_bradley_manning_wanted_to_unleash_worldwide_anarchy_with_.html Gregcaletta (talk) 03:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, missed your comment, B. Could be AP I suppose, but then why haven't the other newspapers credited it?  Gregcaletta (talk) 03:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Weird. I don't think there is any way AP took that photo.  It says they "obtained" it, but it appears they are claiming copyright.  Gregcaletta (talk) 03:32, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, of course AP didn't create that photo. But they could have bought the rights to it from the original owner. In any case, if it's not US-Gov, there is no other way it could possibly be PD, unless its owners explicitly released it as such, which we have no evidence of. (BTW, not that it matters here, but to correct something you said above: "Governments are not allowed copyright on anything" – that applies only to the US federal government. Most other countries do claim copyright for government works.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. It doesn't look like an official photograph, because he's slouching and smiling. And we can't claim fair use because someone found a free one. This image was being used before, but as soon as the free one appeared we had to remove it. The AP doesn't own it, by the way, they're just distributing it. SlimVirgin  TALK |  CONTRIBS 04:26, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
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File:With Frank Sinatra.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  08:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * File:With Frank Sinatra.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Dubious license. The uploader claims it to be a user-authored photo but it appears to have been scanned from a newspaper. B (talk) 15:47, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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File:Image-Grupo feminista.jpg
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 * File:Image-Grupo feminista.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Dubious license. The uploader claims it to be a user-authored photo but it appears to have been scanned from a newspaper. B (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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File:Www.n-vartovsk.ru.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  08:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Www.n-vartovsk.ru.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * see commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Www n-vartovsk ru.jpg Magog the Ogre (talk) 18:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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File:RCAF Kamloops Station Crest.png
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * File:RCAF Kamloops Station Crest.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Has a FUR, but only copyright tag is GFDL. Acather96 (talk) 19:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Would be more than happy to update the tag, please advise what licence would be applicable.  Bwmoll3 (talk) 19:18, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Have noted that many Canadian Forces insignia, emblems are on commons. This may be a free image.  Example: Canadian Air Command flag.svg Bwmoll3 (talk) 19:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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