Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2011 November 29



File:Brooklyn-weaver-wiki-101311.jpg

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 * File:Brooklyn-weaver-wiki-101311.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Pops up lots on Google Imgs, user uploaded another file of the same person with the source saying "I Brooklyn Weaver created this work entirely by myself." (tagged for npd). Mato (talk) 00:20, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Rikishistinkface.jpg

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 * File:Rikishistinkface.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Presense of a WWF logo in the lower left suggests this is a screen capture of a WWE show (likely RAW) and thus is copyrighted. Tabercil (talk) 02:41, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Pastor butch conde.png

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 * File:Pastor butch conde.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * no source; appears to be screenshot; see r bottom corner watermark Skier Dude  ( talk ) 02:51, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:TajiriViscera.jpg

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 * File:TajiriViscera.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * no source, no metadata, uploader has claimed other WWF images as "self" Skier Dude  ( talk ) 02:55, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:AoENEgermanarmy.png

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 * File:AoENEgermanarmy.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).

Tilanus (talk) 11:50, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Screenshot from the unfree game "Age of Empires III" Cambalachero (talk) 02:56, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm the creator of this image, it's showing content that is only available in my modification "Age Of Empires III: The Napoleonic Era" and is thus not "unfree", since the modification itself is free to download.
 * Delete as non-free. Generally, free-to-download is not sufficiently free to qualify as free content under Wikipedia's copyright policy (WP:COPYRIGHT), see WP:COPYOTHERS.  I could not determine from the website what the exact license is for the modification, but I don't think the mod is licensed permissively to allow for the creation and free licensing of derivative works (such as screenshots).  Additionally, the fact that this is a mod calls into question whether making and distributing a screenshot of the modded game creates a derivative work of the original game, which is definitely not free.  RJaguar3 &#124;  u  &#124;  t  16:16, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The point is, I'm the creator of the shown content. I own the copyright for what I have created. That includes the mod's logos and any type of in-game assets that have NOT been created by Ensemble Studios or Big Huge Games, the makers of AoE3. Practically most mods would go with a GFD License since all modders want to be asked for permission. That may neither be a written rule nor a law, but it's a widely accepted and used standard. All this copyright nitpicking on wikipedia annoys me, I'd like to make it as comfortable as possible. I'm the creator of these files, but I allow their usage on wikipedia. Finito! Tilanus (talk) 16:45, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You do not own the copyright of custom content from Age of Empires III, Microsoft does. Or Ensemble Studios, or whatever, but not you. Check the "About" section at the begining of the game. The general policy for game studios is not to enforce their copyright, and allow people to exchange screenshots, gameplay recordings, scenarios, campaigns, mods, etc, as if the game was de-facto freely licenced; but that's just a marketing strategy. They have never given up copyright rights over their games and derivative content from them. Cambalachero (talk) 18:29, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "You do not own the copyright of custom content from Age of Empires III, Microsoft does. Or Ensemble Studios, or whatever, but not you." I'm not sure that the content in the mod depicted in the screenshot is a derivative work of AoE3.  In my opinion, the creators of the content in the mod retain their copyrights as to the content.  RJaguar3 &#124;  u  &#124;  t  01:31, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * A mod is not a new software that the authors may copyright as desired, but a derivative work of another software, which in this case is protected. See here: "Unless otherwise specified, the Services are for your personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from the Services." As said, they are lenient towards game mods for marketing reasons, but did not gave up their copyright over the game. Cambalachero (talk) 01:46, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think there is a distinction between the content in the mod (such as sprites, models, textures, and so on) and the software code (if any) in the mod. One could make the case that if Microsoft/Ensemble has knowledge of the mod and does nothing to enjoin its distribution, it has given an implied license to make and distribute the mod.  Because this would make the incorporation of AoE3 content in the mod lawful, this would allow the mod and its content to have a separate and distinct copyright as a derivative work, which then, presumably, could be freely licensed 17 U.S.C. §103(a).  However, even if this is the case, there is no indication that the mod is freely licensed, so this image is definitely not free as it stands right now.  RJaguar3 &#124;  u  &#124;  t  01:51, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's exactly what I'm telling. That's the principle of mods. They modify original content significantly so that the result is the intellectual property of the modder. He holds the copyright for the modifications he made. It's not a copy. Mind that modifying includes such things as extending, combining, varying, reducing. These actions are considered to be valid alterations to change the copyright status. It's comparable to a re-arranged/remixed/covered piece of music whose copyright does not (necessarily) belong to the original song's composer, but to the remixer/re-arranger/cover artist. Apart from that there is nothing wrong with making in-game screenshots from any Age of Empires game. It's not forbidden in any way, except for claiming being the creator of content that has been made by Ensemble Studios/Big Huge Games. I'm not doing this, I'm only claiming to have made the shown units. This is clearly not a copy of original content. Tilanus (talk) 01:53, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "Apart from that there is nothing wrong with making in-game screenshots from any Age of Empires game. It's not forbidden in any way, except for claiming being the creator of content that has been made by Ensemble Studios/Big Huge Games." This is a false statement.  A screenshot of Age of Empires 3 (without the mod) is both a derivative work and a copy of the content in the game.  It would be infringement unless it is licensed (perhaps impliedly) or otherwise exempt (such as being a fair use).  In either case, it is impossible to say that such a screenshot could be freely licensed (which is, incidentally, why most non-free games on Wikipedia have non-free screenshots used under WP:NFCC).  Claiming to have been the creator of content is a trademark issue (reverse passing off) and perhaps an ethical issue of plagiarism, but both are separate and distinct from copyright.  RJaguar3 &#124;  u  &#124;  t  02:01, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, the copyright does not get lost because of modifications. See Commons:Derivative_works for a full explanation. And your musical example is faulty: re-arranged/remixed/covered songs must be authorized by the original author, and each time a band plays a cover, it pays royalties to the author of the song. Cambalachero (talk) 02:09, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You wiki guys really have too much time and a talent to scare off people. People just wanted to illustrate this article ... nevermind. Tilanus (talk) 02:15, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, our goal is to keep Wikipedia from getting sued. We're not saying the image can't be used in the article, we're saying that you can't label the image as "free". DS (talk) 14:53, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
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File:AoENEswissguard.png

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 * File:AoENEswissguard.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).

I'm the creator of this image, it's showing content that is only available in my modification "Age Of Empires III: The Napoleonic Era" and is thus not "unfree", since the modification itself is free to download. Tilanus (talk) 11:51, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Screenshot from the unfree game "Age of Empires III" Cambalachero (talk) 02:58, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-free. Generally, free-to-download is not sufficiently free to qualify as free content under Wikipedia's copyright policy (WP:COPYRIGHT), see WP:COPYOTHERS.  I could not determine from the website what the exact license is for the modification, but I don't think the mod is licensed permissively to allow for the creation and free licensing of derivative works (such as screenshots).  Additionally, the fact that this is a mod calls into question whether making and distributing a screenshot of the modded game creates a derivative work of the original game, which is definitely not free.  RJaguar3 &#124;  u  &#124;  t  16:17, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:AL Cover.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:02, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * File:AL Cover.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * OR, LQ, no source for book cover Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't this go as PD-TEXT? It's not just text, all the "damage" to the book cover (which is why Skier Dude thought it was "low quality") is actually trompe l'oeil art. DS (talk) 14:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes this would be PD-text and Commons:Template:PD-scan. --MGA73 (talk) 11:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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File:Alan4pix.jpg

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 * File:Alan4pix.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * OR, no source, publicity photo Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:25, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:The Failure.jpg

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 * Orphaned book cover, no source, unlikely uploader is (c) holder Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:26, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Gard Johns Obama Guantanamo.jpg

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 * File:Gard Johns Obama Guantanamo.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * OR, no source, given subject, highly unlikely uploader is (c) holder Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:32, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Crystal lake 1 tiny.JPG

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 * File:Crystal lake 1 tiny.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * OR, LQ, no encyc use or target article given, watermark on rt bottom may indicate this is not pd-self Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:37, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:All Saints University of Medicine Logo.jpg

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 * File:All Saints University of Medicine Logo.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * orphaned school logo, no source, unlikely uploader is (c) holder if legit Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:45, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:AlMacMillan.jpg

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 * File:AlMacMillan.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * OR, no source, probably from church web site or printed material Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:47, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Alphagammaomega.jpg

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 * File:Alphagammaomega.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * orphaned school logo, no source, unlikely uploader is (c) holder if legi Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Alsharif1.jpg

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 * File:Alsharif1.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * OR, given the damage to the image, it's been taken from another source that was not provided Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:50, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Ami kowshik o rani.jpg
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 * File:Ami kowshik o rani.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * OR, no source, appears to be publicity headshot Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:56, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Yomiuri giants insignia.png
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 * File:Yomiuri giants insignia.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Possibly unfree. This file does not qualify to meet the criteria for PD-textlogo Sreejith K (talk) 06:56, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm no expert on logos, but if this file (and countless others like this) meets that criteria, then certainly the Yomiuri one does, no? -- T orsodo g Talk 14:15, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Andersonsig.jpg
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 * File:Andersonsig.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * collage/mashup of non-sourced images; suspicion that centre image is (c) Skier Dude  ( talk ) 07:05, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:My Search Bar 3 uninstall screen small 556x360.jpg
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 * File:My Search Bar 3 uninstall screen small 556x360.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Text in the image appears sufficiently creative for a copyright interest (regardless of its lack of literary merit, which is irrelevant as far as copyright is concerned). The text is not just "individual words" or a "slogan," so PD-textlogo is inapplicable. RJaguar3 &#124;  u  &#124;  t  08:37, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Dr Vir Singh1.JPG
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 * File:Dr Vir Singh1.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * "It was photographed by Bharati Studio, Patparganj, Delhi" however the studio has not provided any release. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  11:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Oakwood Heights-Boynton map Detroit.jpg
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 * File:Oakwood Heights-Boynton map Detroit.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Map style looks a LOT like Google Maps... Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:31, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Fiat Punto Classic, Serbia.jpg
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 * File:Fiat Punto Classic, Serbia.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Lists a website in the description, but then claims he is the copyright holder of the work.  SKATER  Is Back 16:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Boating on the dyke, High Wycombe.jpg
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 * File:Boating on the dyke, High Wycombe.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * http://www.visitoruk.com/largeimage.php?id=6663&type=Local%20Images&f=Highwycombe Sfan00 IMG (talk) 18:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Just some context: the uploader, User:Bnustudent, has had a large number of copyright violations in the past - see User talk:Bnustudent. OTRS was recently made aware of a copyvio on Commons stemming from this user. He passed this image off as his own public domain work on enwiki, and this got transferred to Commons, and this copyvio has been around from 2008 until today. See . It would be sensible to investigate the full extent of his uploads on both enwiki and Commons. User:Sfan00 IMG has also nominated a few more of his other possibly unfree files for PUI. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:17, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:WonderfulLife.jpg
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 * File:WonderfulLife.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * The film became PD in 1974 due to non renewal of copyright, however as the result of Stewart v. Abend in 1990, it became copyright-protected again. Image is orphaned and if needed or wanted, it needs a non-free video cover license. We hope (talk) 18:11, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Tibberton2.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:02, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Tibberton2.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Quite clealrly a logo Sfan00 IMG (talk) 18:12, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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 * File:Lh staffordshire aqualatehall fs.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Source is not confirmable, PD-1923 isn't really applicable to something that is clearly an archive photo of a UK house... Sfan00 IMG (talk) 18:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete insufficient source information, but could be OK if published before 1923 anywhere. &mdash;innotata 23:39, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
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 * File:Newport map salop.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Technical referral, as no indication of base map data source given. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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 * File:Newportsalopmap.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Technical refferal, as no source given for map-base data. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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 * File:Newport map with canal.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Technical refferal, as no indication of source for base map data given. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 18:16, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Aa edgmond from heli 20070506.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:02, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Aa edgmond from heli 20070506.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Aa_edgmond_from_heli_20070506.jpg&imgrefurl=http://versacibridal.com/sheathing-wrekin-carp/&usg=__ny5qkr2DMh6vCLTcjetubDp4wOg=&h=768&w=1024&sz=133&hl=en&start=1&zoom=1&tbnid=g6DLjR_JmWfPgM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&ei=nSHVTtiHJOOhiQLov6TJDg&prev=/search%3Fhl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D791%26tbs%3Dsimg:CAQSVxpVCxCo1NgEGgIIBAwLELCMpwgaLgosCAESBqwHpAStBxog96kDNpiUdoj0ZsrIj4p3l3iChk8Cz4Hmp6NMe_1q3UZcMCxCOrv4IGgoKCAgBEgRH5tXqDA%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1 Sfan00 IMG (talk) 18:18, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I visited a falconry fair at Chetwynd Park nearby. There, helicopter rides were offered. I went on one, and I got the seat beside the pilot. I took this photo (and others) while I was in the air. I took this image while riding in a helicopter and I am its author. The page http://versacibridal.com/sheathing-wrekin-carp/ that your Google search found, seems to link to http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Aa_edgmond_from_heli_20070506.jpg . See also Template:Backwardscopy, also known as Template:Reversecopyvio, for the possibility of other web sites pirating from Wikipedia. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:37, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep clearly, definitely no reason to mistrust Anthony, people copy from Wikipedia too, and this website has unauthorised copies of images from here, Shutterstock, Flickr. &mdash;innotata 23:38, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
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File:Mk22kumar.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:02, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Mk22kumar.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Appears to be a web grab, too low resolution and small size for a regular scan. Part of WP:CCI:Kumarrajendran &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  18:57, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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 * File:AODAIADMwe23K.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Appears to be a web grab, too low resolution and small size for a regular scan. Part of WP:CCI:Kumarrajendran &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  18:59, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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 * File:Mjcidhata.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Appears to be an official photograph during MGR's time as Chief Minister, govt material from India is copyrighted. Part of WP:CCI:Kumarrajendran &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  19:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Soanya ahmad-2010.jpg
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 * File:Soanya ahmad-2010.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * This is a copyvio at Flickr, it's the same image as File:Soanya Ahmad (from Channer Conversations).jpg where this Youtube video is named as the source. January  ( talk ) 19:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no copyvio! I took a screenshot of the video that you named above, which is my right to do. I even listed the author in my file description of File:Soanya ahmad-2010.jpg as Harold Channer as he owns the rights to the video. I don't see what your problem is here. If you insist on giving the video source of the screenshot, then I can just include that in the description at Flickr.


 * I made the appropriate changes at the Flickr source. Now that should be satisfactory. --Skol fir (talk) 20:23, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The copyright to that screenshot belongs to the copyright holder of the video it is taken from. Crediting Harold Channer as the source does not resolve the copyright problem if you don't have his permission to use it. January  ( talk ) 20:44, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll gladly get the permission from Harold. Give me a couple of days, please. --Skol fir (talk) 20:51, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This would need to be confirmed through OTRS as described in WP:Donating copyrighted materials. January  ( talk ) 20:56, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I know the procedure :-) I have done it many times, with great success. Anyway, thanks for the tip. Also, I noticed that you objected to the photo I submitted of Ellen Barkin ( File:Ellen Barkin 2009.jpg ). Actually, she personally requested a better photo in that article, and I was trying to help her out. Do I need to get permission from the "More" magazine for that photo? I have seen it being used elsewhere, without proper credit given. At least I listed the source as "More" mag, which is more than most people. I could try for a permission letter from them, but it may be better to find another photo that would also be satisfactory to Ellen. --Skol fir (talk) 21:16, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll reply on your Commons talk page. January  ( talk ) 21:31, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * January, I tried to delay the deletion because I am currently working on the permission letter to Harold Channer. Why did someone set up a speedy deletion even though I had placed an objection in the discussion at the Talk Page for "File:Soanya ahmad-2010.jpg" ? Do your editors not follow their own rules for decency toward other editors? This is really annoying me. --Skol fir (talk) 06:43, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
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