Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2011 October 27



File:Hitler jugend.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete - This one will require a bit of explanation: Thus, the image is not free and not eligible for fair use. If a valid fair use rationale can be crafted, then anyone may reupload the image with said rationale. Magog the Ogre (talk) 11:38, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Per http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/195_copr.html#question1: "In all cases, it is the researcher's obligation to determine and satisfy copyright or other use restrictions when publishing or otherwise distributing materials found in the Library's collections." Therefore, while we can use the LOC's information for a guide, we cannot rely on it entirely if other evidence contradicts it.
 * In order to satisfy the "seized enemy property" condition, the copyright would have to revert to the state. However, the copyright appears to have belonged to Hein Neuner; my understanding of German copyright law is that it is very strict about works for hire, which this probably wouldn't fall under (I could be wrong, but I don't believe so).
 * None of the three articles under which the image is used fall under fair use:
 * Führerprinzip - probably WP:NFCC (as there are likely works out there which aren't any longer under copyright for the reasons outlined above), and possibly (though less likely) WP:NFCC.
 * Themes in Nazi propaganda - same as above.
 * Hitler Youth - same as above.
 * File:Hitler jugend.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Uses the license template PD-US, though it was published in the 1940s. Kelly  hi! 01:36, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess the uploader of the higher res image User:Thisglad had in mind the "seized enemy property" provision when he added that. There's an old image in the history which is much smaller (47k) which could be used instead. Anyhow, it seems the author was a Hein Neuner (there's an HN signature on the art, and I've tweaked the page accordingly: the person credited as the author previously actually seems to have been the printer} and he died in 1962 so the PD-EU-no author disclosure provisions don't apply. However, this is an iconic Hitler Youth image and is undoubtedly of historic significance so there's the basis of an NFCC rationale there.  Roger Davies  talk 13:29, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to accept the Library of Congress' assertion that this poster has "No known restrictions on publication in the U.S. Use elsewhere may be restricted by other countries' laws." They explain that this means "There are no copyright markings or other indications on the images to indicate that they were copyrighted or otherwise restricted, AND the records of the U.S. Copyright Office do not indicate any copyright registration, AND the acquisition paperwork for the collection does not contain any evidence of any restrictions, AND images from the collection have been used and published extensively without anyone stepping forward to claim rights." I'm comfortable leaving the image tagged with PD-US as long as the Do not move to Commons endorsement stays on the image (since it might still be under copyright in Germany). —RP88 (talk) 08:09, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:VA-82_Marauder_over_Vietnam.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: deleted as on Commons (I uploaded the version into the history of File:A-7C of VA-82 over Vietnam 1972-73.jpg), so it's a moot point, and any deletion discussion should occur there. Magog the Ogre (talk) 11:24, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * File:VA-82 Marauder over Vietnam.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * I think this file must have been taken by a US military aircraft given its vantage point, but additional comments are requested. Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:04, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Iwould agree but it looks like a scan of a slide not something normally seen on official images, more likely as you say taken from another aircraft in the formation but it you would really need to know more from the uploader on the provenance. Note that a rather poor cropped version is on commons as File:A-7C of VA-82 over Vietnam 1972-73.jpg MilborneOne (talk) 21:28, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also a similar image of the same aircraft from the same uploader at commons File:A-7C from VA-82 Mauraders over Vietnam.jpg. MilborneOne (talk) 21:33, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Koena Mitra.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as F9 by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:02, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Koena Mitra.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Professionally created image, no proof that uploader is the image owner. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 04:07, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Shonal.Jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as F9 by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:02, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Shonal.Jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Professionally created image. No proof that uploader is the image owner. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 04:09, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, previously deleted copyvio from . feydey (talk) 14:22, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Sonita.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  05:05, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Sonita.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Professionally produced image. No proof that the uploader is the owner of the image. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 04:11, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Richal.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  05:05, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Richal.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Professionally created image. No proof that the uploader is the image owner. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 04:13, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete- Basically per nom. SKATER ' Is Back 13:07, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Same user uploaded copyvio images. feydey (talk) 14:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Vanderbilt Plaque.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:09, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Vanderbilt Plaque.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * see commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Vanderbilt Plaque.jpg Magog the Ogre (talk) 06:26, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:AT.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  05:05, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * File:AT.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * File uploaded by blocked user and claimed copyright holder - however no source provided or context for use. Has a © tag on image... Is used on no pages.  Nik the  stoned  08:47, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Regardless of anything else, it is orphaned and has no description, therefore it'll never get used and should be deleted. If we knew what it was, it might be PD-textlogo, but we have no idea what it is.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  11:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
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File:Titanic-bow seen from MIR I submersible.jpeg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:09, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Titanic-bow seen from MIR I submersible.jpeg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * see commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Titanic-bow seen from MIR I submersible.jpeg Magog the Ogre (talk) 09:02, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Tatars_in_Kazan_1885.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Wrong forum. The file is on Commons. Please nominate it for deletion there if you feel it is non-free. AnomieBOT ⚡ 16:11, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Tatars in Kazan 1885.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * probably false author, so, no source

uploader has written "original work" and has written himself as author, though it is said time of making it is 1885. that's a photo. scanning is not creating. though making photo also, but it is usual to account photographer as author

Qdinar (talk) 15:50, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Redskyjuly-2.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete - no permission Magog the Ogre (talk) 11:17, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * File:Redskyjuly-2.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * source is, however there is no copyright information on that page, or the website I have been able to find Edgepedia (talk) 18:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Port imperial 600 w.png

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as F11 by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:02, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Port imperial 600 w.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Haven't found this image at the source but all other images carry a copyright notice. No indication of CC licensing. Eeekster (talk) 20:21, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It now has a proper source and is listed with a copyright. Eeekster (talk) 20:44, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Thatman.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  05:05, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * File:Thatman.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * This is clearly artwork from a animation production. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 20:52, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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