Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2012 February 14



File:Prairie Queen Hotel.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Keep; file is tagged as non-free.- F ASTILY  (TALK) 00:53, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Prairie Queen Hotel.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Double licensing (both free and unfree). Unclear if it is free or not. No fair use rationale. Stefan2 (talk) 00:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This image is currently tagged as non-free. If there is a dispute with the rationale, please tag the image with dfu or list it at WP:Non-free content review. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:PosterLights.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:PosterLights.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * The permission reads: "The images (posters. photographs and graphics) on this page may be used freely according to the requirements of websites such a Wikipedia." It is not specified under which Wikipedia policy it may be used, so I assume that the fair use policy must be assumed. Stefan2 (talk) 00:18, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Stefan2, All of the pictures or graphics or posters I have uploaded (or will upload in future) are owned by me, I created them and own the copyright 100%. I am happy for these images to be made freely available, but obviously I am doing something wrong 'tag-wise' as they risk being deleted. Please advise the correct tagging for me to use for material I have created and which I own outright. Thanks.

81.155.97.130 (talk) 02:45, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that I forgot to comment on this earlier. If you are the copyright holder to the images, there is no problem. However, I think that you should send an e-mail to OTRS confirming that you own them. There are instructions for this at WP:CONSENT. After sending the e-mail, please add OTRS pending to all of the image pages so that they don't risk being deleted. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:08, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:PosterMovingMemories.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:PosterMovingMemories.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * See above. Stefan2 (talk) 00:18, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Stefan2, All of the pictures or graphics or posters I have uploaded (or will upload in future) are owned by me, I created them and own the copyright 100%. I am happy for these images to be made freely available, but obviously I am doing something wrong 'tag-wise' as they risk being deleted. Please advise the correct tagging for me to use for material I have created and which I own outright. Thanks.

81.155.97.130 (talk) 02:45, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:PosterTheGlow.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:PosterTheGlow.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * See above. Stefan2 (talk) 00:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Stefan2, All of the pictures or graphics or posters I have uploaded (or will upload in future) are owned by me, I created them and own the copyright 100%. I am happy for these images to be made freely available, but obviously I am doing something wrong 'tag-wise' as they risk being deleted. Please advise the correct tagging for me to use for material I have created and which I own outright. Thanks.

81.155.97.130 (talk) 02:45, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Wmovie.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Wmovie.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Appears to be made from copyright protected images. Eeekster (talk) 02:58, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Citations-to-qchem-papers.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Citations-to-qchem-papers.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Sourced to Anna I. Krylov but tagged as the uploader's own work. No evidence of permission. Eeekster (talk) 03:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I am the uploader. If I somehow tagged it as my own work, then I did so in error;  it's Anna Krylov's work, and she is the copyright holder.  I uploaded the image at her request.  I have contacted her, and she will send an email granting permission to permissions-commons [at] wikimedia.org within the next 24 hours or so. —Jt512 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 19:32, 19 February 2012 (UTC).
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File:Virtualbox logo.png

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The result of the discussion was: Keep; file is tagged as non-free.- F ASTILY  (TALK) 00:53, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * File:Virtualbox logo.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * This logo is unfree according to the deletion discussion on commons commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Virtualbox logo.png. And seeing as User:FleetCommand is too dim to understand the concept of the precautionary principle (commons:COM:PCP) and is willing to revert war in order to mark the image as free despite this principle, we have to go through this process. Magog the Ogre (talk) 07:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The discussion at Commons doesn't look like it's been finalized (two people weighed in so far, nom and "keep" !voter, essentially). Did you mean to say it might be unfree according to the nom? Also, calling someone "dim" is a personal attack. Please avoid those. Thanks! Killiondude (talk) 07:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I meant possibly unfree (as is the title of this project page). And I'm aware of what constitutes a personal attack, thank you. Magog the Ogre (talk) 07:23, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. The way you worded it in the nom appears otherwise (see is unfree according to x). Killiondude (talk) 07:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) Keep. The Commons discussion is not yet closed. Furthermore, it is an unfounded discussion based on the opinion of the nominator himself. Correct me if I am wrong: When a software license agreement designates its computer program as GPLv2 (free libre), then all its components are such, unless some other statements from the author excludes them from this scope. So, where is the proof that this component of a free software is non-free? And by the way, may I remind our dear admin that WP:NPA prohibits argumentum ad hominem as well as lying? The last reverts were all Magog the Ogre's own reverts, not mine.Fleet Command (talk) 07:24, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * More interestingly, where is the proof that this logo is included in the GPLv2 version of Virtualbox? See the Commons discussion. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I supplied a download link there. Download it from here. Even the download page tells you what you are downloading is GPLv2. Then, you will have no trouble finding this logo in it. Fleet Command (talk) 16:00, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * What FleetCommand has failed to account for in his knee-jerk keep !vote is that the result of the discussion may be "fair use." Magog the Ogre (talk) 04:00, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I have perfectly accounted for that. (That is an undesirable outcome for a free image like this.) But I am starting to grow weary of your ad hominem attacks. If what you meant was to negotiate a middle ground in good faith, you have failed. Fleet Command (talk) 07:02, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * My statements at the top were personal attacks; my statement immediately above wasn't. And consistently referring to my personal attacks will not in any way make the image any more free. The legal standard of a file is not based on personalities, and I suggest you stop treating it as such. Magog the Ogre (talk) 18:25, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Tugun Bypass northern.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Tugun Bypass northern.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Not the uploaders own work, rights would be held by the Government or PacificLink. OTRS would be needed but unlikely to be released as GFDL or CC-BY-SA. Bidgee (talk) 11:46, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Tugun Bypass southern.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Tugun Bypass southern.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Not the uploaders own work, rights would be held by the Government or PacificLink. OTRS would be needed but unlikely to be released as GFDL or CC-BY-SA. Bidgee (talk) 11:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Tally Koren.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Tally Koren.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * It says: "Tally Koren author and owner of image". Is the uploader Tally Koren? The image also appears elsewhere, for example here. Stefan2 (talk) 13:06, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I am Tally Koren's personal assistant and am updating the page on her behalf. This is her current PR photo and is therefore used on all her press on the internet. This is the photo she personally emailed to me to be used on this entry. What do I need to do to ensure it is not deleted? If it is uploaded with the incorrect tags or license please explain to me how to fix this. Summermoon123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Summermoon123 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that I forgot to reply to this. I suggest that you follow the instructions at WP:CONSENT. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:14, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:RM of La Broquerie Municipal Seal.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:RM of La Broquerie Municipal Seal.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * This doesn't look like a textlogo. Stefan2 (talk) 13:08, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Mihrab--Mashad-al-Sayyida-Ruqayya.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Mihrab--Mashad-al-Sayyida-Ruqayya.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Unless the photo was taken in the 10th or 11th century, the licence might be wrong. Stefan2 (talk) 13:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a photo of two-dimensional wooden tracery produced in the 10th or 11th century in a Fatimid memorial in Cairo. It's hard to know whether something of this kind, like an antique carpet or textile, is two-dimensional or not, but I assumed so at the time. Mathsci (talk) 13:25, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If it is two-dimensional, would work. If not two-dimensional, permission is needed from the photographer. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:55, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:La Broquerie Municipal Seal.jpg

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 * File:La Broquerie Municipal Seal.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * This doesn't look like a textlogo. Stefan2 (talk) 13:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Foltigo prosfiction large.png

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Foltigo prosfiction large.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * It says "source: foltigo.com" on the image. Stefan2 (talk) 13:22, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Missouri-573-02.png

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 * File:Missouri-573-02.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Derivative work of maps by the State of Missouri. There is no Missouri template at Category:US State PD templates, so I take it that Missouri works are copyrighted. Stefan2 (talk) 13:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Punjabi tv channel hoarding.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Punjabi tv channel hoarding.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * According to commons:COM:FOP, Indian rules are similar to British rules, so this photo is probably not free. Stefan2 (talk) 14:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Princess X Hollywood HMMA 2011.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Princess X Hollywood HMMA 2011.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * The source link is dead, so it is impossible to determine if the permission is valid. Stefan2 (talk) 14:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep: The source link worked fine for me today and clearly confirms the licence shown. ww2censor (talk) 23:43, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The site is up again. Licence looks fine. No need to delete. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:02, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Franz Albert Rum.JPG
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Franz Albert Rum.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * The licence statement has multiple issues. The source web site doesn't seem to list any date of publication for this photo, so there is no way to confirm that it was published before 1942. Some of the other photos on the web site are dated with a date of creation after 1941 (and those photos can impossibly have been published before 1942), so this might also be a recent photo. The photo may thus be copyrighted in the European Union. Additionally, there is no way to confirm that the photo was published before 1926, so it might have been copyrighted in the European Union on the URAA date, making it copyrighted in the United States unless published before 1923. Finally, there is no confirmation that the photo really is anonymous, so the anonymous statement might be wrong. Stefan2 (talk) 14:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Qyorkcityalbum.jpeg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as F1 by AnomieBOT ⚡  22:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Qyorkcityalbum.jpeg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Dubious own work. Stefan2 (talk) 14:34, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Tryst B58Jwl.png
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


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 * Dubious own work. Stefan2 (talk) 14:36, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Qorkcityalbum.png
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 * File:Qorkcityalbum.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Dubious own work. Stefan2 (talk) 14:38, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:One thousand naira.jpg
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 * File:One thousand naira.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Commons:COM:Currency has no entry for Nigeria. Stefan2 (talk) 14:42, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:One hundred naira.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:One hundred naira.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Commons:COM:Currency has no entry for Nigeria. Stefan2 (talk) 14:46, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Kennedynixon.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Kennedynixon.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * The source claims that the licence is the "Creative Commons Public License", which doesn't exist. Stefan2 (talk) 14:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Luxo Jr. sculpture.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


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 * See commons:COM:FOP. Stefan2 (talk) 14:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Hpobama.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Hpobama.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * The source claims that the licence is the "Creative Commons Public License", which doesn't exist. Stefan2 (talk) 14:49, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Hidden Character stone.jpg
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 * File:Hidden Character stone.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Collage without any source for the individual images. Stefan2 (talk) 14:50, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:ChhotuRam2.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Keep; file is tagged as non-free.- F ASTILY  (TALK) 00:55, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:ChhotuRam2.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * There is no confirmation that this photo, taken in 1941, was published before 1941, so it might be copyrighted in the United States. Stefan2 (talk) 15:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Ek ruka hua faisla.jpg
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 * File:Ek ruka hua faisla.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Date of death not listed on source page, so PD-old-100 claim can't be confirmed. Stefan2 (talk) 15:11, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Fmlinedrawing2.jpg
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 * File:Fmlinedrawing2.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * The source claims that the licence is the "Creative Commons Public License", which doesn't exist. Stefan2 (talk) 15:11, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Bobbyseale.jpg
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 * File:Bobbyseale.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * The source claims that the licence is the "Creative Commons Public License", which doesn't exist. Stefan2 (talk) 15:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Sherine Wong.jpg
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 * File:Sherine Wong.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Really own work? Looks like something copied from an advertisement or something. Stefan2 (talk) 15:14, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes its 100% my won work. I even have the original file. You may dispute it if you are able to find any evidence that it is being copied from any Advertisement that you claimed chongqing777 (talk)
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File:HWeeks.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:HWeeks.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * There is absolutely no evidence that this single purpose account took this photo himself. (ie no metdate, etc.) I find it more likely that, since this appears to be a professional image, the PD-self tag was used since a proper source and license was not possible for this living person. This uploader has a history of bad copyrights.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs)


 * Delete: same resolution image is found here. ww2censor (talk) 23:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:France 2012 commemorative2 euro coin.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:France 2012 commemorative2 euro coin.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Unusually many colours to be a real coin; coins are usually metal-coloured. Coin might be fake. Besides, there is no permission from the photographer. Stefan2 (talk) 15:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Brazilians 000.JPG
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Brazilians 000.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * One image is sourced to a book and its licensing status isn't mentioned here. See also Files for deletion/2011 February 25. Stefan2 (talk) 15:26, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know exactly what is wrong here. Stefan wasn't able to be clear enough, something that I don't find too hard for anyone to be. If he is talking about Antônio Carlos Gomes' photo, it was made before 1882 by Alberto Henschel. This photograph has been long in public domain. --Lecen (talk) 16:24, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * When making a collage, you must always specify the licensing terms of all images. Gomes's photo doesn't have any licence specified, only the title of a book. If the photo was published before 1923 and taken by someone who died in 1882, it is in the public domain everywhere in the world, but this needs to be specified on the file information page. --Stefan2 (talk) 16:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I had asked the uploader on his talk page quite a while back to improve that sourcing, but apparently they never did. Kelly  hi! 21:51, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Museo Larco 1.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Museo Larco 1.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * It's also here but the image has been around on Wikipedia for years. Which one is older? Stefan2 (talk) 17:32, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Me With Hitler.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Me With Hitler.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Unused user photo. Might also be copyvio since the Hitler image isn't sourced. Stefan2 (talk) 18:25, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Me Hangin Off Wikipedia-logo.png
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Me Hangin Off Wikipedia-logo.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Isn't this violating the Wikimedia Foundation's copyright to the Wikipedia logo? Stefan2 (talk) 18:44, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Me SL Yes1 50x50.jpg
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 * File:Me SL Yes1 50x50.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Unused user picture which might have been taken from an unfree game or something. Stefan2 (talk) 18:46, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Me huyuk!.JPG
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 * File:Me huyuk!.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Unused user photo violating Nintendō's copyright. Stefan2 (talk) 18:51, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:MEarth-1 b.png
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 * File:MEarth-1 b.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Dubious own work. Stefan2 (talk) 19:00, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:BlueSwordCover.jpg
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * File:BlueSwordCover.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * It says: "All content on Open Library is in the public domain ." But there is no working link confirming that anything on Open Library is in the public domain and there is no confirmation that the Open Library was allowed to release this cover to the public domain in the first place. Stefan2 (talk) 21:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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File:Colonel Breytenbach.jpg
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 * If Photographer untraceable we need to wait 70 years until copyright expires  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:25, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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