Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2013 May 15



File:Tigerreservesmap2011.jpg

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 * File:Tigerreservesmap2011.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * The justification for marking this file as "released into the public domain" appears to be the third page of its source, which says "The entire survey and research work that has gone into the 2010 estimation will soon be put into the public domain." However, this was not a statement of copyright, rather a statement of the fact that the data will be presented to the public. In order to keep this image, we will need OTRS permission.


 * Alternatively, any editor could just make their own map from one of our free ones. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 00:40, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:Lena Time 100.jpg

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 * File:Lena Time 100.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Cropped image with suspicious lack of much EXIF data. Eeekster (talk) 01:37, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as copyright violation. The Flickr user that uploaded the image admits in the information that they aren't the author. The image is cropped from, which is copyrighted by Getty Images. ALH (talk) 05:39, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:BNSircar.jpg

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 * File:BNSircar.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * First off, date not really known. Second, even if it was 1950, PD in India means 60 years after publish date, which would be 2010. That is after the URAA date of 1996. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 02:03, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:Building after 1998 bomb blast.jpg

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 * File:Building after 1998 bomb blast.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Both the New York Times and Reuters  credit this photo to George Mulala. ALH (talk) 05:19, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:Michelle Xen Live The Zoo.jpg

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 * File:Michelle Xen Live The Zoo.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Image description states "I took this photo myself" but the source appears to be the artist's official Facebook page. Doesn't quite seem right. (ESkog)(Talk) 12:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note that the uploader has left a message relevant to this discussion at File talk:Michelle Xen Live The Zoo.jpg. (ESkog)(Talk) 13:40, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:Horton Park St Paul MN.jpeg

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 * File:Horton Park St Paul MN.jpeg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Suspect it is unfree since uploader admits the author is Google Maps. Unable to verify with certainty since Google Maps updated its Street View of the location.  Veggies  ( talk ) 12:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:Grey County Tornado, 04-20-96.jpg

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 * File:Grey County Tornado, 04-20-96.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Uploader admits image is from Google Maps.  Veggies  ( talk ) 12:29, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:Dufferin County Tornado, 04-20-96.jpg

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 * File:Dufferin County Tornado, 04-20-96.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Uploader admits image is from Google Maps.  Veggies  ( talk ) 12:29, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:08-07-1979 Tornado Map ON.jpg

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 * File:08-07-1979 Tornado Map ON.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Uploader admits image is from Google Maps.  Veggies  ( talk ) 12:29, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:Sugarite Lakes.PNG

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 * File:Sugarite Lakes.PNG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Uploader admits image is from Google Earth.  Veggies  ( talk ) 13:01, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:LakeDorothy(southerncolorado).PNG

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 * File:LakeDorothy(southerncolorado).PNG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Uploader admits image is from Google Earth.  Veggies  ( talk ) 13:01, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:Lake Maloya.PNG

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 * File:Lake Maloya.PNG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Uploader admits image is from Google Earth.  Veggies  ( talk ) 13:01, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:Poinsett statue - Greenville.jpg

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 * File:Poinsett statue - Greenville.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Sculpture in US dated 2001 - no Freedom of Panorama  Ron h jones  (Talk) 20:37, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * - I took a picture of a sculpture. Since it was out in the public, I thought it was free. Miller17CU94 (talk) 20:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the copyright law of the United States doesn't permit you to take photos of sculptures unless the sculpture is in the public domain. For a sculpture from 2001, this means that you will have to wait until the sculptor has been dead for at least 70 years. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:46, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:Stegosaurus model in Cañon City, CO, May 10, 2013.jpg

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 * File:Stegosaurus model in Cañon City, CO, May 10, 2013.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * 3D sculpture - no Freedom of Panorama  Ron h jones  (Talk) 21:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:Ali Akbar Velayati.jpg

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 * File:Ali Akbar Velayati.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Dated 2005 - PD-Iran does not apply  Ron h jones  (Talk) 21:40, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Image is taken in 1982 when he was newly appointed as Minister of Foreign Affairs of Iran. Tabarez (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no evidence that the image was published in 1982, though. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:RAMIGauthier.jpg
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 * File:RAMIGauthier.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * 3D artwork - commons:COM:TOYS  Ron h jones  (Talk) 22:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:Eagle statue in front of Alico Arena.jpg
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 * File:Eagle statue in front of Alico Arena.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Modern 3D sculpture - no Freedom of Panorama  Ron h jones  (Talk) 22:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I took the picture and I cropped it to not show passers-by. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That doesn't address the point. Take a look at Commons:Commons:FoP. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 02:45, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Is it copyrighted? This is not a sculpture. It's a metal casting. There is no evidence this was produced solely for this use or is one of a kind. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:50, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The material used to make it and the purpose for making it does not matter. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 02:56, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In other words, it's not a work of art. It's something purchased to display. Not unique. It would be like saying taking a picture of my trophy is a copyright issue because it's a "sculpture". Are the little metal eagles on the top of the flag poles "sculptures"? Niteshift36 (talk) 03:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It could be argued that way, however, this stamp was found to be copyright infringement under this same no FoP statue for perspective. (Gaylord vs United States) Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 03:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have every reason to believe that this is a non-copyrighted, commercially produced product that is not a work of art. There is no plaque there, giving credit to an artist, naming it or any of the things you'd typically see for a sculpture or work of art. Do you have any evidence that this is a copyrighted work? Niteshift36 (talk) 03:28, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * A copyright notice is not needed. Everything is automatically copyrighted, there needs to be proof that it is not copyrighted. Also, something can definitely be commercially produced and copyrighted. This piece also looks more complex to me than a Coke can for example, and wouldn't be PD because it is common property with no ownership. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 03:34, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * How do I prove a negative? How does one prove that it's not copyrighted? And no, everything isn't automatically copyrighted. If you spray graffiti on an overpass, it's not copyrighted. Again, there is no attribution, naming or anything typically found with art. There is nothing to indicate that this is anything more than a decoration, no different that a clock on the wall or a trophy you won for the 3rd grade spelling bee. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:41, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It isn't proving a negative. You are proving it's status as free, a positive. Graffiti can be copyrighted, depending on if it is art or a single word or two. Decorations can be copyrighted depending on it. That clock on the wall can be copyrighted. In fact, a train station in Sweeden successfully sued Apple and won a claim of copyright infringement because Apple used their clock design in their Clock app. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 03:48, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yet we have dozens of pictures of gang graffiti in articles. Are you asserting that they are copyrighted? A mass produced clock is not likely to be copyrighted. I will ask again, how do I show it isn't copyrighted? You're claiming it is with no proof. Not even any evidence beyond "I think it is". What would it take for you to stop just saying "it could be"? And no, it's proving a negative. You want me to prove that a copyright does not exist.Niteshift36 (talk) 03:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I am saying everything is automatically copyrighted. You need to show why this would not be copyrighted. Link to the Apple lawsuit. And yes, I may be suggesting that the graffiti is copyrighted, depending on it. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 04:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Everything is not automatically copyrighted. If it was, you wouldn't have to say "depending on it" or "in some cases". Either everything is automatic or it isn't. Providing an example of an "iconic clock" being copyrighted doesn't negate the fact that most clocks hanging on the wall are not copyrighted. There is no copyright here. Nobody is asserting a copyright claim. Even you own words contradict your statement that everything is automatically copyrighted. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Everything is automatically copyrighted, however, if it is simple enough, it is exempt and is public domain. There are lots of exceptions and exceptions to the exceptions. Welcome to copyright law. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 04:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Even declaring it again, you contradict yourself. You need a bunch of qualifiers. And "welcome to copyright law" may not have been intended to sound condescending, but it sure comes across that way. I've asked you repeatedly what I need to do to show this is not copyrighted. You've offered no help whatsoever. I mean you are the expert on copyright law, right? This is not what you are claiming it is, but refuse to listen to anything. You demand that I prove a negative, which is absurd. The sad part here is that rather than try to help and retain a reasonably useful picture, it will get deleted while I could take 5 pictures of a turd and it would be kept with cries of "Wikipedia isn't censored". Niteshift36 (talk) 04:40, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This is a discussion. It was not meant to sound condescending or like I'm a know-it-all. I'm sorry if you are taking this personally. That was not my intention. You can't show that it isn't copyrighted because it is copyrighted in my opinion. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 04:47, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Discussion would actually entail you listening as well as talking. When you make a point, I address it. When I make a point, half of them are ignored. You just keep repeating "it is" and then say everything is, followed by a list of exceptions and disclaimers. I wasn't taking any of it personally until you started talking to me like you're some authority. I've asked over and over what would serve as proof. You've ignored the question over and over. Could it be that you don't know what would be proof? You want me to prove that something does not exist. I'm asking you, again, how I can prove that to you? Are you unable to answer that question or simply unwilling to answer it? Niteshift36 (talk) 05:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, let me try to explain this a different way. The eagle is not a work of art on display. It is simply a component of a larger display, which is the fountain. It is a decoration on the fountain. If we have a tree decorated for Christmas, the lights don't automatically become copyrighted because they are on display decorating the tree. Nor does the little angel on top. They are decorations, adorning an existing thing. If you made any claim, it would be better made for the fountain as a whole, not a narrowly focused component of it. Ironically, the reason for inclusion here is because this fountain has become a popular photo spot because the school mascot is an eagle. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:07, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it is copyrighted or not. I'm listing reasons why a court may find it to be copyrighted. You make good points and you never know what a court may say. You are arguing that it is PD because it is not original enough, which is subjective. Some objective things you can prove, are if it was made before 1977 I think the date is because there is no copyright notice, or the maker (or whoever paid the maker) released it under a free license. However, nobody can 100% prove that it isn't original enough because it is subjective. I could definitely be wrong and you could be right, or vice versa. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me)  15:17, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Decorations on a Christmas tree are de minimis. If you take a photo of a Christmas tree, you're fine.  If you zoom in on one ornament that was made since 1978, you're not fine.  The only way the photo of this statue can be used is if either (a) it is not copyrighted due to age and failure to comply with the formalities, (b) it is an identical reproduction of an eagle that was out of copyright, or (c) we have the permission of the copyright holder. --B (talk) 15:46, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete The uploader obviously didn't make the sculpture of the bird. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:29, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Nor did the uploader claim he did. But thanks for your needless sarcasm. The uploader took a picture of a decoration on a fountain. That's what was claimed. That's what was done. So why you felt the need to spout some foolishness like that is something you'll have to decide for yourself. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:15, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Why doesn't PD-FLGov apply here? This was made or received as part of the state's official function. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:57, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * PD-FLGov only applies if the sculptor received salary from Florida for making it. Was that the case here? Sculptures are a bit difficult, as seen for example in the Korean War Veterans Memorial case where it was discovered that the memorial wasn't covered by PD-USGov. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I keep telling you, it's not really a sculpture. It's just a commercially purchased decoration. This wasn't a piece of artwork commissioned by anyone. It is a purchase made by government agency, using tax dollars, for public use. It was received by the government in the course of their official function. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:25, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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File:Ananda College war memorial.jpg
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 * File:Ananda College war memorial.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * No Freedom of Panorama in Sri Lanka. May be suitable for FOP-USOnly, but would need a date of creation to claim.  Ron h jones  (Talk) 22:46, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It couldn't be FoP in U.S. because U.S. only allows buildings. The statue itself would need to be PD. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 02:58, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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