Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2013 September 24



File:Colonel Harland Sanders in character.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Keep Consensus is to keep the image; uploader self-identifies as being Dan Lindsay; no online copies were found that pre-date the upload here. Diannaa (talk) 00:07, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * File:Colonel Harland Sanders in character.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * When I was searching the image on Google Images, I found various websites with the same image. I then putted a speedy deletion, which was later declined because "unclear if the image on Google comes from here" which obvious I don't know if the admin cared to look. All I know is that the image that the user who uploaded it claims that it's his, is a copyright infringement. <span style="border:1px solid black; background-color: #FF513D; background-image: -ms-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -moz-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -o-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -webkit-gradient(radial, center top, 0, center top, 556, color-stop(0, #FFAA3B), color-stop(1, #FF0000)); background-image: -webkit-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: radial-gradient(circle farthest-corner at center top, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%);padding:4px;"> Blurred   Lines   03:38, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, appears to be free. Using a backwards Google search (here if the link works) I found that all the webpages which use the image date from after the image was uploaded here. As such, I doubt that this is copied from the internet. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:19, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Please be aware of the possibility of a backwards copyvio. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:23, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Still, how does the user claims that the photo he took it's his? Did he just walk towards the founder of KFC and just took the picture? That's how suspicious I was when I first saw the photo. -- <span style="border:1px solid black; background-color: #FF513D; background-image: -ms-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -moz-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -o-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -webkit-gradient(radial, center top, 0, center top, 556, color-stop(0, #FFAA3B), color-stop(1, #FF0000)); background-image: -webkit-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: radial-gradient(circle farthest-corner at center top, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%);padding:4px;"> Blurred   Lines   11:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Erm, yes? Sanders is obviously in the middle of signing autographs (there's what appears to be a twelve-year-old or so kid and Sanders is holding a pen), and in 1974 security at such events would not have been so strict that we could not approach the public figure at all. Have you read WP:AGF yet? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:36, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * What does the WP:AGF have to do with anything with this case? -- <span style="border:1px solid black; background-color: #FF513D; background-image: -ms-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -moz-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -o-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -webkit-gradient(radial, center top, 0, center top, 556, color-stop(0, #FFAA3B), color-stop(1, #FF0000)); background-image: -webkit-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: radial-gradient(circle farthest-corner at center top, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%);padding:4px;"> Blurred   Lines   11:39, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If you have read and understand that page, read your post "how does the user claims that the photo he took it's his? Did he just walk towards the founder of KFC and just took the picture? That's how suspicious I was when I first saw the photo." Does your post fall in line with WP:AGF or no? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:46, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Does it even matter, and why are you changing the subject? It's not about the comments that I make, it's about the photo that's possibly a non free file. -- <span style="border:1px solid black; background-color: #FF513D; background-image: -ms-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -moz-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -o-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -webkit-gradient(radial, center top, 0, center top, 556, color-stop(0, #FFAA3B), color-stop(1, #FF0000)); background-image: -webkit-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: radial-gradient(circle farthest-corner at center top, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%);padding:4px;"> Blurred   Lines   11:49, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Who changed the subject? You. I replied to your point. You have not addressed mine, instead going off on a vector based on a question that was a footnote to my point. All images are possibly copyright violations, but that doesn't mean we delete all of them. Find evidence that the uploader is not the copyright holder or at least enough to show a reasonable doubt, or AGF that the uploader was there 40 years ago with a camera. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:36, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Whatever, I'm not gonna argue with you, if your not going to be civilized about this, and call it a blame game, you shouldn't even be saying anything negative at no point. -- <span style="border:1px solid black; background-color: #FF513D; background-image: -ms-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -moz-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -o-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: -webkit-gradient(radial, center top, 0, center top, 556, color-stop(0, #FFAA3B), color-stop(1, #FF0000)); background-image: -webkit-radial-gradient(center top, circle farthest-corner, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%); background-image: radial-gradient(circle farthest-corner at center top, #FFAA3B 0%, #FF0000 100%);padding:4px;"> Blurred   Lines   19:25, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Diffs, please, of me being "not civilized". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I truly believe some of the 'editors' for Wikipedia need a real life. I have been taking pictures since the late 1960s. I was born in 1954. I nearly always have a camera with me. I see 'celebrities' all the time because I live in Santa Barbara, California. "Col" Sanders didn't say a word to me when I shot this image with my Nikon FTn because no one really cared back in 1974. If the image appears elsewhere on the internet, let me know where as I first loaded it on Wikipedia, and no where else. It sounds like people copied it for their usage elsewhere. A smart guy should see that the image was scanned from a slide with my Nikon Super Coolscan 8000ED. Dan aka Edgy01 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edgy01 (talk • contribs) 17:00, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The initial revision of the file is watermarked "Dan Lindsay photo". According to the uploader's user page, the uploader is called Dan Lindsay, which is consistent with the watermark.
 * I did a Google reverse search for the image and found it on numerous other websites. Many of those websites hotlinked to Wikipedia. All websites seem to use a copy of same or inferior resolution as our copy. The "Last-Modified" HTTP header is always later than the original Wikipedia upload date, which suggests that the image was uploaded to Wikipedia before it was uploaded to those other websites. All of those websites have probably taken the image from us, not the other way around. However, that doesn't of course exclude the possibility that the image might have appeared in a printed source before it was uploaded here.
 * It looks as if the man is at a public place writing autographs for people, so it doesn't seem impossible that someone may have been able to approach him to take a photo of him.
 * Summary: I can't find any clear indication that this is a copyright violation. If an uploader claims that an image is own work by the uploader, we usually assume that this statement is correct unless we have a clear indication that this isn't the case, per WP:AGF. I therefore suggest that we keep the image. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:38, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
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File:Cjyi7i7t7878788.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as F9 by AnomieBOT ⚡  12:08, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


 * File:Cjyi7i7t7878788.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Claimed to be the uploader's own copyright; given the many file- and copyright-related warnings already present on their talk page, however, I am highly doubtful that the image is genuinely their work. Title and summary information are gibberish.  Super Mario  Man  04:32, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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File:Gaius Gracchus Tribune of the People.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: I was able to source three of these and had to delete the other three. Diannaa (talk) 21:14, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * File:Gaius Gracchus Tribune of the People.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * No information about the year and place of the original publication of this image. The cited link redirects to a general web portal. The Wayback Machine does not give any useful result. Eleassar my talk 08:29, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

The same goes for: There is no evidence that these files would be in the public domain. On the contrary, for some of them (taken from ), the source site clearly states: "provided for non-commercial, study purposes only." --Eleassar my talk 08:37, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * File:Gaius Gracchus Flees.jpg
 * File:Marius in exile at the ruins of Carthage.jpg
 * File:Senate Meeting.jpg
 * File:Tarquin Superbus and the Sibylline books.jpg
 * File:Map of Rome.jpg
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File:Li Xianglan.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 10:07, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * File:Li Xianglan.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Looks like a studio shot. Web resolution, no indication uploader really took it (has had problems with copyright before) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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File:Guru Nanak Dev.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Wrong forum. The file is on Commons. Please nominate it for deletion there if you feel it is non-free. AnomieBOT ⚡ 11:07, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

The painting in File:Guru Nanak Dev.jpg is not currently in the public domain as it was painted in 1969. The source attribution “own work” seems improbable, as the image was uploaded in in 2013 and the artist died in 1986. The uploader, User:India4art is a recent newcomer (16 September 2013). India4art also claims to be the copyright holder, but no evidence of that is provided. Apuldram (talk) 10:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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File:Getnetabebe.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  14:06, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


 * File:Getnetabebe.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Appears to be hosted by CNN, so likely first published in the United States. PD-URAA can't be used for works which were first published inside the United States. Stefan2 (talk) 12:40, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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File:IIA Delegates.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:07, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * File:IIA Delegates.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * It says that this is an unpublished photo from 1909. That contradicts with the copyright tag which states that the image is in the public domain by virtue of having been published before 1923. Stefan2 (talk) 12:50, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Question: Have access to "David Lubin: a study in practical idealism"? The uploader now says it was published there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:38, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * , see . The book only contains a single photo: a portrait photo of David Lubin (printed before the title page). I can't find this photo anywhere in the book. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:53, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree, have failed to find it. Delete unless it can be verified that this has been published prior. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:58, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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File:Hisham Abdelkhalek.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:07, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * File:Hisham Abdelkhalek.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Two images in history; the current one is a copyvio of http://i2.wp.com/hishamabdelkhalek.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/15.jpg Stefan2 (talk) 15:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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