Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2014 July 3



File:Illustration of Maxwell's equations in relation to Genesis 1,3.jpeg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Illustration of Maxwell& ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * see c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:T-shirt with Maxwell's equations in relation to Genesis 1,3.jpeg Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:Eido Tai Shimano Roshi with Min Pai and students at Nabi Su in 1972.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F9 by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Eido Tai Shimano Roshi with Min Pai and students at Nabi Su in 1972.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Nonderivative. Stefan2 (talk) 11:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:Frederick High School common area.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Frederick High School common area.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Image is supposedly taken from the FCPS website, but I could not find any copy of the image on that website and I have never known FCPS to license any of their media freely. I suspect that this file was indeed taken from somewhere on the FCPS website, but that it is un-free.  I certainly don't think that it is in the Public Domain, and as the uploader is new, I suspect they misunderstood what Public Domain means. Zell Faze (talk) 11:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:The New Frederick High Front Drawing.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:The New Frederick High Front Drawing.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * See Possibly_unfree_files/2014_July_3 Zell Faze (talk) 11:53, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:A schematic drawing of the back of the new Frederick High School.jpg

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 * File:A schematic drawing of the back of the new Frederick High School.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * See Possibly_unfree_files/2014_July_3 Zell Faze (talk) 11:55, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:Frederick Cafe.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Frederick Cafe.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * See Possibly_unfree_files/2014_July_3 Zell Faze (talk) 11:56, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:Frederick high atrium.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Frederick high atrium.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * See Possibly_unfree_files/2014_July_3 Zell Faze (talk) 11:56, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:Koch Cup Trophy.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F11 by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Koch Cup Trophy.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * This is a work of artistic silverware, and as such may need additional information on the copyright status of the object. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


 * We would need OTRS permission for the photo since the source is given as seascoutcup.org, the uploader's username suggests they are connected to the organisation but this needs evidence. January  ( talk ) 21:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:Eamon Gilmore with the US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at the OSCE Ministerial meeting held in Dublin, December 2012.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Eamon Gilmore with the US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at the OSCE Ministerial meeting held in Dublin, December 2012.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * EXIF: "Copyright© DFA/ 2012 Fennell Photography" Eeekster (talk) 19:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:Eamon Gilmore speaking to US Congressman Paul Ryan.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Eamon Gilmore speaking to US Congressman Paul Ryan.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * EXIF: "Copyright 2013 by DC photographer Marty Katz" Eeekster (talk) 19:27, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:Eamon Gilmore with Peter Robinson and Martin McGuinness.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Eamon Gilmore with Peter Robinson and Martin McGuinness.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * EXIF: "Fennell Photography @ Copyright 2012" Eeekster (talk) 19:28, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:Eamon Gilmore with NI First Minister Peter Robinson in Belfast on Remembrance Sunday.jpg

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 * File:Eamon Gilmore with NI First Minister Peter Robinson in Belfast on Remembrance Sunday.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * EXIF: "Copyright holder	www.paulmcerlane.net" Eeekster (talk) 19:29, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:Lucknow Railway Station.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F9 by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Lucknow Railway Station.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Appears to be cropped from the image at http://www.panoramio.com/photo/90432313 Eeekster (talk) 19:41, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:Logo of lucknow metro.jpg

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 * File:Logo of lucknow metro.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Derivative work of official logo. Eeekster (talk) 19:48, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:The arrest of Ibrahim Kaypakkaya.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:The arrest of Ibrahim Kaypakkaya.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Appears to be a scan of printed material. Eeekster (talk) 21:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:Northwestern High School Wildcat Logo.svg
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The result of the discussion was: delete; deleted as F5 by. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 09:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Northwestern High School Wildcat Logo.svg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Author claims image is "fair use" for Northwestern High School (Hyattsville, Maryland), while stating in his rationale that he himself took a copyrighted image from an archive copy of a subpage of the school's website and then modified it and uploaded the result. Changing a copyrighted image and then using it to symbolize the owner of the copyright is in and of itself a violation of copyright laws. John from Idegon (talk) 22:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This image is currently tagged as non-free. If there is a dispute with the rationale, please tag the image with dfu or list it at WP:Non-free content review. AnomieBOT ⚡ 16:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Complainer is clearly not well-versed in Wikipedia policy, and appears to be a troublemaker. There have been several erroneous Wikipedia policy violation accusations made by said accuser, that are in no way or shape true. The most telling example is the accuser claiming this image was licensed under "Fair Use" when clear as day the image is licensed as "Non-free media information and use rationale – non-free logo for Northwestern High School (Hyattsville, Maryland)." I'm aware that's not the technical term, but at the end of the day, the image is licensed as NON-FREE MEDIA and since the Wildcat image is as "official" an image as one will find when associated with the school in question (you can find the Wildcat throughout the schools' website), it can be permitted for use on Wikipedia using the appropriate non-free use rationale licensing. I've had numerous, knowledgeable editors review the same image, and not one of them has (a) claimed the image violated image use on Wikipedia or (b) tagged the file for deletion. Conversely, the editor who has made the accusation found a random, self-made image that is apparently being used on a Northwestern High School PTSA Facebook page, which is not an official page overseen by Northwestern High School. The logo cannot be found on anything officially representing the school. Add to that, the user has tagged the image as an "official logo" being used by Northwestern, and that is simply untrue. The irony in this whole fiasco is that the policy violations I'm being accused of, are violations the originating accuser is guilty of themselves! --Khemistry (talk) 05:18, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Questioning the copyright status of an image in good faith is perfectly permissible and does not make someone a "troublemaker". There is no need to personalize the issue. I will make the point though that Wikipedia is a free content project. The only time non-free content is allowed is under a claim of fair use as per WP:NFC and WP:NFCC, so for all intents and purposes non-free content and fair use content are the same thing on Wikipedia, as the former can only exist as the latter. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 16:33, 9 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I apologize for sending the nominator to the wrong forum – since nobodies claiming that this is non-free content it should have gone to WP:NFCR instead. Regardless, since this logo has been replaced with another image it will soon be deleted "automatically" as non-free content that is not in use. However, appears to contest the use of a new image. If this dispute continues I think taking it to WP:NFCR for a more drawn out discussion may be the only option. On the substance of the issue, since the logo appears to be mostly user created, I agree that the file probably does fail WP:NFCC. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 16:57, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:The Chair of Thomasville at an angle.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Kept as freely licensed - Peripitus (Talk) 09:29, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:The Chair of Thomasville at an angle.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Work of art in US, Later than 1923 so additional confirmation of status is needed. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I thought that any public artwork installed before 1978 without a copyright notice is also in the public domain, just as it is on Commons. It was uploaded with the original plaque showing it was erected in 1950. File:The Chair of Thomasville plaque.jpg Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  22:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: Even ignoring the copyright notice issue, that it was installed in 1950 means to be copyrighted still it would have to have been renewed at some point. An inspection of the Copyright Office records for any entries under the name "Duncan Phyfe" or for works titled "Chair of Thomasville" returned zero results. Therefore, this work is in the public domain. —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 22:35, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * If this is accurate (and I believe in the good faith of these two editors) then we need to be more careful with public art deletions in the future.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The main thing I might advise Dennis and others to do in the future is include a standard statement of an attempt to find evidence of copyright (e.g., "I checked all plaques and visible markings on the statute and its pedestal where it was published, and discovered that it was published in (YEAR), but did not include the required copyright formalities. A photograph of the pedestal/plaque has been uploaded to (FILENAME)."). Might seem a bit silly to have to go through all those hoops, but as the old saying goes, "an ounce of prevention..." By the way, Mark, the case study you link to below is particularly valuable. I won't say it's comprehensive, but it's a great introduction to the issues you need to watch for. —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 23:59, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll be honest, I have avoided photography of all public art, believing that the US freedom of panorama law covered this, but I did not realize that copyright before 1978 had to be established and registered with public art as well as photos. This was very informative and I am glad I happened on the discussion.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:12, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The plaque was uploaded at the same time, it was tagged by the same person for upload at Commons, the only place that those images are currently used is User:Dennis Brown/Articles/The Chair of Thomasville, which clearly says that the work was erected in 1950. I had this same issue on Commons with Dinah the Pink Dinosaur but it was because the editor didn't understand the policy .  I can't help but think that the spirit of WP:BEFORE applies.  My first ping was a notification to come here. I can handle policy fine, but adding a bunch of extra steps make this very unfriendly for new users and isn't supported by policy.  Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  00:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course, you're absolutely correct, Dennis. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, especially with respect to WP:BEFORE; I'm just exploring what more could be done. Maybe a better copyright tag is what I mean. You're right that it makes things difficult for new users, though. —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 00:45, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is any problem of good faith, I trust that, but the methods might be a bit rushed. I could see half of new editors (<100 edits) just getting discouraged and accepting deletion, not even knowing the policy, just knowing that the Wikipedia deleted their photo.  Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  00:58, 4 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - *Yep.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * According to Letter Edged in Black Press, Inc. v. Public Building Commission of Chicago, a public artwork installed before 1978 is "published" upon installation, provided that it is possible for the general public to see the artwork and take photographs of it. This seems to have been "published" in 1950, so a visible copyright notice is needed on the artwork or the plaque, and a renewal 28 years after installation is also needed. Unless both of these two things happened, then keep the image. --Stefan2 (talk) 09:02, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
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File:The Chair of Thomasville.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Kept as a free image- Peripitus (Talk) 09:26, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:The Chair of Thomasville.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Work of art in US, Later than 1923 so additional confirmation of status is needed. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:14, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought that any public artwork installed before 1978 without a copyright notice is also in the public domain, just as it is on Commons. It was uploaded with the original plaque showing it was erected in 1950. File:The Chair of Thomasville plaque.jpg Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  22:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: Even ignoring the copyright notice issue, that it was installed in 1950 means to be copyrighted still it would have to have been renewed at some point. An inspection of the Copyright Office records for any entries under the name "Duncan Phyfe" or for works titled "Chair of Thomasville" returned zero results. Therefore, this work is in the public domain. —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 22:35, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep free file. See above.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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