Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2006 August 24

hen fap → Gold Digger
The nominated redirect was Deleted per CSD vandalism criteria. -- Cyde Weys 04:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC) "hen fap" is a non-notable running joke on an internet message board and a nonsense phrase associated with one or more serial Wikipedia vandals (see ). No relevance to the target article. Muchness 22:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

The nominated redirect was Changed to an article --Rokkss 21:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Ninth planet → Pluto
Unused and incorrect since redefinition. Femto 20:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Agreed. Delete.--Planetary 20:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * KeepTruthCrusader 20:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - and move tenth planet to ninth planet, since we're now talking about the ninth planet. 132.205.93.205 21:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, at least for now. The new definition was just agreed upon by the IAU, and it's yet to be seen whether  it'll be accepted by the general public.  Anyway, whenever people think of the 9th planet they'll think of Pluto anyway, so it's harmless. --Rory096 21:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, despite being now misleading, it helps navigation which is the whole point of the page in the first place (cf. typo redirects).--JyriL talk 21:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Considering our goal is to write an encyclopedia, don't you think any decision which leads to misleading the readers should never be made? -- Cyde Weys  04:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not "misleading the readers" if, when someone types in an incorrect concept (the "ninth planet"), they are redirected to an article which teaches them that Pluto, once considered to be the ninth planet, has since been redefined. --Ckatz chat spy  04:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, Ninth planet refers to mysterious gas giant "Planet X". --myselfalso 21:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, conventional wisdom will be a long time catching up to this momentus decision. Let's continue to be usable to those not in the IAU fan club. -- nae'blis 21:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, even though I don't like calling Pluto a planet; the phrase "ninth planet" has no other meaning than Pluto. There is no evidence that it has suddenly fallen out of uasge. Melchoir 21:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. People still think of Pluto as the ninth planet, and that's not going to change in just one day. Voortle 21:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Disambig. Replace with disambiguation page linking to both previous and proposed pages.  --md84419 22:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Disambig. I was going to vote Keep, as the redefinition is really new and contested by some, but I like the dab page. It links to both the 76 year old definition and the new official definition, giving those who haven't heard or forgot the opportunity to understand the change and explore both articles easily, as well as those who accept the change and are looking for what were previously the contenders for Tenth Planet. TransUtopian 22:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Guys, have you read the new definition? They didn't decide on the new 3, they decided that Pluto wasn't a planet, so there is no 9th planet now.  There's nothing for this page to point to besides Pluto. --Rory096 23:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Disambig. I like this idea, you can link to the old ninth planet (Pluto) and the concept that will probably slowly become "ninth planet" (Tenth planet). BryanG(talk) 23:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment if it is dabbed, it should go to Pluto, tenth planet and Planet X. 132.205.93.19 02:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Until a contender for "ninth planet" status comes along, there's no harm in pointing to Pluto. While we should certainly strive for accuracy, there is also an obligation to make Wikipedia user-friendly. Keep in mind that several generations have grown up thinking of Pluto as the ninth planet - and most of the people typing in "ninth planet' will not be "in the know" as to the workings of the IAU and Pluto's status as a planet. --Ckatz chat spy  04:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate between Pluto (say it used to be the ninth planet), Planet X, and Tenth planet. -- Cyde Weys  04:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per Cyde. Robin Johnson (talk) 10:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate and include a link to the new definition of planet so that readers can understand why it's not necessarily Pluto. --Gavia immer 16:24, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per TransUtopian - an ambiguious term today. CP/Mcomm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 18:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect to Planet X is my vote. Since Pluto's demotion is mentioned in the first paragraph of the Planet X page, those who search for "ninth planet" expecting Pluto won't get lost, and they'll be educated at the same time. Tzepish 19:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

The nominated redirect was All deleted as they exhibit broken functionality. -- Cyde Weys 04:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

/Dialog Manager programming language → Dialog Manager programming language
Besides being an unlikely term for searching or linking, redirects with a leading slash are actively harmful, since they have the undocumented behavior of attaching the namespace of the current page to the beginning of the link, which is not useful in article space, and requiring an equally undocumented workaround to link to the actual article when not linked from article space. The six listed here are all of them currently in existence. --Gavia immer 19:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all, as per nomination. Rbraunwa 20:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

/JNT → Jews in the New Testament/JNT
See above nomination. --Gavia immer 19:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

/Man Hands → Hand
See above nomination. --Gavia immer 19:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

/NextBus → NextBus
See above nomination. --Gavia immer 19:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

/Semifluxon → Semifluxon
See above nomination. --Gavia immer 19:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

/yourself → Suicide
The nominated redirect was G7 speedied by Fang Aili (talk • contribs • [ blocks ] • [ protects ] • [ deletions ] • [ moves ]) --Rory096 21:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC) See above nomination. --Gavia immer 19:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

De Vos → Jan de Vos
The nominated redirect was Converted to disambig. -- JLaTondre 00:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC) de Vos or De Vos is a common Dutch/Flemish last name, only page using De Vos does not mean Jan, but Cornelis (I think). Rmhermen 03:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * I made it into a dab page... so, I think that works. gren グレン 14:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Holy Jihad Brigades -> 2006 Fox journalists kidnapping
The nominated redirect was No-longer redirect (was reverted to previous version). -- JLaTondre 11:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Misleading. One is an organization, one is an event, a crime. They should not be the same article. -- 64.229.224.60 05:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete one of many links that try to be helpful but cloak the fact that we just don't have an article on that subject. gren グレン 14:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Please review the page history before making nominations.  This article had independent history before being converted into a redirect.  It's status as a redirect was quickly reverted.  It is again a stand-alone article.  Rossami (talk) 03:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Most common Wikipedia faux pas → Avoiding common mistakes
The nominated redirect was Kept. -- JLaTondre 21:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC) Needless cross-namespace redirect, now orphaned. --Rory096 07:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. Cross-namespace redirect, and additionaly not a likely search term. Rbraunwa 13:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * (Speedy) Delete Keep Striking out old vote, didn't check the history - CNR without good justification, and (almost) as long as the target. CP/Mcomm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 18:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep—contains significant edit history; as the article stands, deletion is probably not allowed under the GFDL. On the other hand, if someone wants to go through the process of merging the edit history, then (and only then) could it be deleted. Ardric47 23:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. This page has history and pre-dated the creation of the various namespaces.  Even if you orphaned the page and are able to ensure that it stays orphaned even as other pages are reverted and if you merged the history, it is likely that a page this old will be referenced on external sites and pages which study the workings of Wikipedia.  It is not a topic which could ever be mistaken for an encyclopedia article.  The guideline agains CNRs is not strong enough to support the deletion of a potentially useful redirect.  Rossami (talk) 03:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

How does one edit a page → How to edit a page
The nominated redirect was Kept. -- JLaTondre 21:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC) Needless cross-namespace redirect, now orphaned. --Rory096 07:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete as per nomination. Rbraunwa 13:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * (Speedy) Delete Keep Striking out old vote, didn't check the history - CNR, unlikely search term, unencyclopedic title. CP/Mcomm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 18:14, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is where the page existed before the creation of the independent namespaces.  The redirect documents the pagemove and is potentially useful to any external links.  Prior to orphaning, this redirect had hundreds of inbound links that I can confirm (and I suspect that it may have had thousands).  Preserving the redirect will provide insurance in the event of the reversion of those pages to older versions where the link was still present.  The guideline against CNRs is insufficient to justify deleting a useful redirect.  Rossami (talk) 03:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Deverger → List of Kiddy Grade characters
The nominated redirect was Kept. -- JLaTondre 21:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC) Seems to have been created as a random misspelling of Dvergr, does not serve any useful purpose. Shiroi Hane 12:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Neutral, I almost did keep... but, I do think it's harmless and I added r from misspelling so that it would never be included in a print release. Maybe someone will do that typo... maybe not... but, it doesn't cause confusion and it doesn't conflict with anything else. gren グレン 14:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Could be useful to some. Scienceman123 03:25, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Alve → List of Kiddy Grade characters
The nominated redirect was Kept. -- JLaTondre 21:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC) Seems to have been created as a random misspelling of Alv, does not serve any useful purpose. Shiroi Hane 12:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep Could be useful to some. Scienceman123 03:25, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Islam in South Korea → Islam in Korea
The nominated redirect was Deleted. -- JLaTondre 21:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC) Provides the illusion that there is an Islam in South Korea article. The in Asia template shows XX in Korea [South North] and therefore this link makes it seems like we have an article for Korea and for South Korea but not for North... gren グレン 13:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

Dhondo Keshave Karve → Dhondo Keshav Karve
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The nominated redirect was Kept. -- JLaTondre 11:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC) Keshave is an incorrect spelling. Chirag 19:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nom. utcursch | talk 14:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep for the same reasons given last week. This is a plausible variant of a name transliterated from a foreign language.  Rossami (talk) 03:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)