Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2006 October 20

Troilism → Ménage à trois
The nominated redirect was replace with article.John Vandenberg 06:21, 22 October 2006 (UTC) There is a distinct semantic difference between these two terms. That does not mean they should not be linked, but troilism deserves at least a stub instead of a redirect. hypercritic 20:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete, or turn into a stub (I see that there is some text after the redirect, part of it could be used). These two terms are only very weakly related, a direct link between the two would be confusing. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 12:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Is the page on Troilism now sufficient enough to stand independantly, and thus can we kill any redirects between it and Ménage à trois? --hypercritic 16:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I misunderstood this request. If you want to turn a redirect into an article, you can just do it, removing the "#redirectwhatever" line. There is no need to ask for deletion of the redirect on this page. Just check the history to see if the page was previously an article and has been turned into a redirect for a good reason (this is not the case for this article, it was just created as a redirect). Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 17:30, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Redirects to Kettle (landform)
The nominated redirect was Kept. -- JLaTondre 01:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Kettle pond
 * 2) Kettlepond
 * 3) Kettle lake

Completing incomplete nominations by User:Mwtoews. Keep: seem to be plausible alternative names. TimBentley (talk) 01:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep, unless someone explains what's the difference. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 12:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. 1ne 21:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Propose a move → Requested moves
The nominated redirect was Deleted. -- JLaTondre 01:28, 27 October 2006 (UTC) Little used cross-namespace redirect. Khatru2 04:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete as unneeded CNR. Gavia immer (u|t|c)  16:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as a crossnamespace redirect. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 12:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. CNR. 1ne 02:53, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unecessary CNR, violates WP:ASR, etc, etc. Possibly the one or two live connections should be substituted.  &mdash; Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 17:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Micky → Mickey Mouse and Mickie → Mickie James
The nominated redirect was Micky re-targeted to Mickey and Mickie re-targeted to Michael. -- JLaTondre 01:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC) Both of these should be disambiguation pages rather than link to a specific article. –– Lid(Talk) 10:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Then be bold and fix it. Nomination for deletion is unnecessary.  Rossami (talk) 16:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Michael or turn into disambiguation pages. TimBentley (talk) 19:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Retarget, unless someone turns them into disamb pages in the meantime. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 12:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete unless turned into disamb page. &mdash; Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 17:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Turn it into a disambiguation page. -Toptomcat 19:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Requested articles → Requested articles
The nominated redirect was Orphaned & deleted. -- JLaTondre 01:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC) Cross-namespace redirect Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 10:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep - There is no consensus for blanket deletion of cross-namespace redirects; especially ones that will never conflict with article titles. — Omegatron 14:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as unneeded CNR. Gavia immer (u|t|c)  16:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is where the page existed before the creation of the independent namespaces.  Even though the history has been merged, there are many internal and may still be external links to this page.  It was improperly speedy-deleted back in August and has been vandalised several times since.  There is no possibility of confusion with an encyclopedia topic (but if there ever is, we solve that via disambiguation, not deletion).  Rossami (talk) 17:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the independent namespace exists to segregate encyclopedia articles from stuff that is of interest to Wikipedia editors. The fact that the redirect is in the place of the original article seems to me more an argument for deleting than for keeping. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 17:18, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Your reply confuses me. The WikiMedia software automatically creates a redirect when any page is moved.  How can that be construed as an argument for deletion?  Rossami (talk)
 * Before the introduction of the namespaces, all pages (both encyclopedia articles and wikipedia internal pages) were similar, without anything showing a difference between them. The fact that this page was at that title but was then moved in the Wikipedia: namespace tells that it was considered wrong to have it in the main namespace. With a redirect, it somehow comes back to the main namespace from the window. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 12:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. CNR. 1ne 02:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. CNR. If there is non-trivial history at Requested Articles, a history merge should also be done.  &mdash; Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 17:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. If Requested articles is deleted, Requested Articles also needs to be deleted. --- RockMFR 18:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Anthony Mercieca → Mark Foley scandal
The nominated redirect was Kept. -- JLaTondre 01:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC) The redirect is useless Trevor Spiteri 11:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Even if the consensus is that the individual does not deserve a wikipedia article (and to be honest I belive that the judgement that he will 'never' require one is presumptive), having this redirect seems sensible to me, so that those seraching for the priest get information on his most encyclopedic 'acheievement' to date. Dave 15:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I just used it ... surely others will too? Nfitz 22:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep per above. 1ne 02:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. A stub has been written since the nomination and has been (IMO: rightly) reverted by FCYTravis.  As far as I can see, the man is notable to some as a result of this scandal, so the redirect should be sufficient. John Vandenberg 07:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Daily Financial → Ziarul Financiar
The nominated redirect was Deleted. -- JLaTondre 01:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC) Useless VTM 13:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. The newspaper's not even in the English language, so I doubt anybody will type "Daily Financial" when looking for Ziarul Financiar. 1ne 02:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Good stub → Stub
The nominated redirect was Deleted. -- JLaTondre 01:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC) Unused cross-namespace redirect. Khatru2 20:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete as a crossnamespace redirect, and also somehow confusing. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 12:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, unneeded CNR. Gavia immer (u|t|c)  16:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. CNR. 1ne 02:53, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, oxymoron. &mdash;Cryptic 17:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Good Article nominee → Good article candidates
The nominated redirect was Deleted. -- JLaTondre 01:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC) Cross-namespace redirect with one incoming link and created by the user who made that link. Khatru2 20:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete as a crossnamespace redirect. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 12:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, unneeded CNR. Gavia immer (u|t|c) </tt> 16:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. CNR. 1ne 02:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete if Khatru2 is correct, delete otherwise. &mdash; Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 17:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)