Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2006 October 8

Wikipedia is not → What Wikipedia is not
The nominated redirect was Deleted (again). -- Cyde Weys 04:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC) (added 20:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC))No original research → No original research Cross-namespace Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 04:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nom. Gavia immer (u|t|c)  17:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --Rbraunwa 00:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Khatru2 05:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom, or weak retarget Wikipedia is not to Wikipedia. — TKD::Talk 01:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom or retarget to Wikipedia (again, weakly). ~  Flame vip  e  r  17:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not has been previously discussed. See here.  I think we got the decision wrong then and I think that the repeated recreations and the large number of uses on Talk pages is clear evidence that we need this redirect.  While this should probably be handled through WP:DRV, I'm still going to recommend overturning the prior decision and keeping this redirect.  No original research has a different fact set and should be nominated separately.  Rossami (talk) 23:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Meatspin → Shock site
The nominated redirect was Kept -- Cyde Weys 00:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC) This redirect exists for historical reasons. There was an AfD on Meatspin that resulted in a redirect to the page about Shock sites. Meatspin used to be listed on the Shock site page but it seems to be fairly well settled at this point that no reliable sources exist on Meatspin (see Talk:Shock site). This redirect no longer makes sense. For similar reasons, I am also nominating:


 * Oralse → Shock site
 * Bottleguy → Shock site
 * Oralse.cx → Shock site
 * Fuck.org → Shock site

Those are all sites that had been on Shock site but were removed for lack of sources. Mango juice talk 05:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep, and also keep all the others; they do no harm and could help someone out who was actually searching for those articles. Plus, Meatspin was notable enough to spawn Leekspin. ~  Flame vip  e  r  17:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, they are doing harm: anons are constantly adding unsourced snippets on shock sites, and these redirects are partly to blame, especially the Meatspin one. Mango juice talk 19:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Eh? I don't think that Meatspin and the rest should be completely erased; they are shock sites, and if it's that much of a problem, then the article can be semi'ed. I think the problem is when someone wants to find out what those sites are and can't find any information. ~  Flame vip  e  r  14:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem with them is WP:V and WP:WEB. There are a zillion "shock sites" out there, but we can't cover them on Wikipedia if no one else writes about them first in a reliable source.  See Talk:Shock site including its archive, and Talk:List of shock sites for the history of this discussion.  Mango juice talk 15:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep as subjects of the article. CP/Mcomm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 16:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Rename redirect. I think it is OK to keep these, however if they do remain, the redirect name should match the registered domain name so the reader can see the article is about a website as opposed to a useful article they might be tracking down.  i.e. Oralse and Bottleguy should be renamed to whatever their real domain name is.  John Vandenberg 04:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Seizure Measure → Shock site
The nominated redirect was deleted. And the other one, too. --Core des at 04:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC) This redirect is a bad one because the site "Seizure Measure" is not described on Shock site (if it ever was). For similar reasons, I am also nominating:


 * CRUSHER → Shock site

These sites, as far as I know, have not specifically been discussed, which is why this batch is separate from the one above. AFAIK, these are non-notable shock sites we wouldn't cover, and probably no reliable sources exist (since they are very scarce for such sites). Mango juice talk 05:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Strong Delete: Neither are mentioned on the target article; these redirects take people to Shock site when they searched for something else; as there is no explanation the reader is left scratching their heads and might read the article hoping to find more information about their original search. Not nice. :-)  John Vandenberg 04:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Sumerian gulf → Persian Gulf
The nominated redirect was Deleted. -- JLaTondre 14:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC) Offensive neologism introduced for trolling reasons into the perennial Persian Gulf/Arabian Gulf dispute, apparently in bad faith and by someone who was indef blocked as an abusive sock a short time later. Cf. ,,. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Speedy delete. Good trolling potential, though. Pavel Vozenilek 23:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Gays → Gays, Illinois
The nominated redirect was Kept as re-targeted to Gay (disambiguation). -- JLaTondre 14:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC) This redirect has been bouncing back and forth between the town in Illinois and Gay (disambiguation). I think the plural of "Gay" should go to the disambig page.- George100 16:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Add the town to the dab and redirect there. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 19:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Town is already at the dab page; should redirect to Gay (disambiguation). Mango juice talk 20:14, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. — TKD::Talk 01:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Retarget, obviously. CP/Mcomm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 23:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)