Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2006 September 13

✒ → Dip pen
The nominated redirect was Deleted. —Centrx→talk &bull; 04:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Same reason as below, it's NOT a "dip pen". &mdash; Arthur Rubin | (talk) 19:09, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per reasons given below. -- NORTH talk 04:55, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete not visible in my Firefox and IE either. •N i k o S il v e r• 12:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Paste it into Microsoft Word to verify it.  &rArr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   23:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

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 * Keep. The redirects can be useful for those who don't know what a character is. Some browsers do not properly display characters. For example, ① (which is a 1 with a circle around it) might be displayed as a square. Someone who wonders what it is, pastes it into the URL, and follows it would be redirected to 1 (number). Then they will realize that the character has something to do with the number one. I do this frequently with characters that I encounter on the Internet and do not display on my browser or that I wish simply to learn about. For some browsers, pasting the symbol in the search engine is preferable to the URL.  &rArr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   23:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

✑ → Dip pen
The nominated redirect was Deleted. —Centrx→talk &bull; 04:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, it's a unicode character. What does it have to do with the target (Dip pen)? &mdash; Arthur Rubin | (talk) 07:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks like the nib of a dip pen? Not what is meant at List of HTML decimal character references, Part 2, in any case. Delete unless an article talking about symbols is found where this can redirect to in a meaningful way. Kusma (討論) 08:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Keep; Arthur Rubin is on a strange campaign to engage in censorship, and he is wikistalking. &rArr; Jarlaxle Artemis   01:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment. Although I don't think any of these redirects are helpful, it appears we have a guideline to allow them. However, this one is misleading, and just wrong. As you recall, I withdrew all but 7 of the last bulk delete request (and redirected 2 which you sent to the wrong place). If it comes to that, all of your redirects need to be edited to put in the explanation R from Unicode, R from misspelling, R from alternate language, etc., so following you around is good for the encyclopedia. Given the proper tools, I could semi-automate creation of the correct redirects, but I'd need help with the tools... and WP:AGF only applies until you prove me wrong. Weren't you on probation for something? I think it may just have been redirecting all Unicode characters to the computer science term, but I think there was something else, there. &mdash; Arthur Rubin | (talk) 13:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - the guideline is apparently wrong, since this redirect is thoroughly useless. &mdash; Dan | talk 23:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * How is it useless? It's a picture of a dip pen.  &rArr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   01:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per above. No one's going to search by "typing in" a picture of a dip pen (which isn't even visible in my versions of both Firefox and IE). -- NORTH talk 04:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete not visible in my Firefox and IE either. •N i k o S il v e r• 12:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Paste it into Microsoft Word to verify it.  &rArr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   23:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You don't need to see it for it to be useful. The redirects can be useful for those who don't know what a character is. Some browsers do not properly display characters. For example, ① (which is a 1 with a circle around it) might be displayed as a square. Someone who wonders what it is, pastes it into the URL, and follows it would be redirected to 1 (number). Then they will realize that the character has something to do with the number one. I do this frequently with characters that I encounter on the Internet and do not display on my browser or that I wish simply to learn about. For some browsers, pasting the symbol in the search engine is preferable to the URL.  &rArr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   23:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, ok, no need to shout! I just think it's hardly useful. You're right. Seeing it doesn't make a difference. BTW, I don't think that ✈ should be redirected to airplane, ♁ to female, ♂ to male, any of these: ✄✃✂✁ to scissors, and any of these: ➚➛➜➝➞➟➠➡➢➣➤➥➦➧➨➩➪➫➬➭➔➘➙ to arrow either! •N i k o S il v e r•  15:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Uhh... that ① thing is the Greek letter theta in both my browser's normal font and monospace font. I'm changing its target.  Big Nate 37 (T) 15:13, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, Θ is theta for sure, but that other thing may not be (although it looks nearly the same).  Big Nate 37 (T) 15:16, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Try using bigger fonts in your screen (View/Font size/Large). High def screens really need bigger fonts... •N i k o S il v e r• 10:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Whether or not characters ✑ and ✒ look like dip pens depends entirely on the font.  Unicode defines the two characters only as "white nib" and "black nib".  The redirect is therefore completely inappropriate. JarlaxleArtemis has been previously warned against creating these sort of redirects, and is now the subject of a Request for Arbitration for continuing to ignore these warnings. —Psychonaut 19:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I have not been warned for this; stop lying Psychonaut. And what do you think a nib means? A nib of a dip pen, obviously.  &rArr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   22:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As of 16 September, you have been warned five times on your talk page for creating inappropriate Unicode redirects. With respect to nibs, dip pens are not the only pens with nibs.  This is made clear by the both the dip pen and nib articles.  Can you provide a citation which proves that the term "nib" as used in Unicode/ISO 10646 refers exclusively to dip pen nibs?  If so, then I will retract my comments with apologies. —Psychonaut 22:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Warned by those, like you, who don't know what they're talking about. If a dip pen has a nib, then why can't a symbol redirect to it?  &rArr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   23:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If the White House has a telephone in it, then why can't ☏ redirect to White House? —Psychonaut 23:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Because it is a symbol of a telephone, not the White House.  &rArr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   23:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Good! Now apply the exact same logic to why ✑ shouldn't redirect to dip pen. —Psychonaut 23:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, a vertical bar used as a box drawing character is still a vertical bar. Do you know what a vertical bar symbol is? It's a line that goes up and down. Up and down is vertical.  &rArr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   23:08, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Comment. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to redirect less common Unicode characters to a list of Unicode characters rather than to their individual "meanings"? - dcljr (talk) 09:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

2006 Israel attack on Gaza → 2006 Israel-Gaza conflict
The nominated redirect was Deleted. —Centrx→talk &bull; 04:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Technical nom, prior discussion at Articles for deletion/2006 Israel attack on Gaza. Nomination concern there was "POV title." GRBerry 02:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 *  Delete  - looks like the 2006 Israel-Gaza conflict article was moved to this, for a few hours, on August 3, 2006, as a POV change. No reason to keep this. Nfitz 03:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as explained above. I'm sorry for not noticing that that process for deletion of redirects is different than for regular articles. --Gabi S. 07:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, possibly speedy (housekeeping). &mdash; Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 15:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, although I don't see the speedyible criteria. -- NORTH talk 05:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Reverting a move considered vandalism might be considered housekeeping. I would have considered the move vandalism had I been watching the article.  &mdash; Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 20:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Economy of the United Kingdom table → Template:Economy of the United Kingdom table
The nominated redirect was Deleted. —Centrx→talk &bull; 04:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Cross namespace redirect Fram 07:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

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 * Delete - evident. NCurse work 20:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete cross-namespace should be speedy criterion. •N i k o S il v e r•  12:45, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Fereydoon Batamanghelidj → Fereydoon Batmanghelidj
The nominated redirect was Kept. —Centrx→talk &bull; 04:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I moved the article for the right name, and now I would like to delete the redirect if needed. NCurse work 20:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. The redirects are automatically created during a pagemove for a reason.  First, this page had significant history before you moved it.  The redirect will serve to point all the prior readers and editors to the new title.  Second, the redirect keeps links from being broken.  There are currently 3 inbound links.  But even if you updated all those pages, we still keep redirects around because you never know if one of those pages will end up reverted back to a prior version or some other administrative action will cause a previously deleted page with a link to be restored.  Third, all the previous editors made this mistake about the spelling.  That makes it a fairly plausible misspelling.  And finally, I'm not sure that the original title was a misspelling at all.  Transliteration of proper names into English often results in several allowable variants of the name.  A redirect solves the problem.  Rossami (talk) 04:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I understood. Thanks for the long explanation. :) NCurse work 09:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

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