Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 April 9

List of Justice League episodes redirects
The result of the debate was keep. John Reaves (talk) 17:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Alive (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Comfort and Joy (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Destroyer (Justice League Unlimited) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Destroyer (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Dark Heart (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Divided We Fall (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Blackest Night (Justice League episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Clash (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Eclipsed (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Fury (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Flashpoint (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Fearful Symmetry (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Hearts and Minds (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * The Return (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Hawk and Dove (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Hereafter (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * I Am Legion (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * In Blackest Night (Justice League) → List of Justice League episodes
 * In Blackest Night (Justice League episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * In Blackest Night (Justice League episodes) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Kid Stuff (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Legends (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Initiation (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * This Little Piggy (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * List of Justice League episodes/In Blackest Night → List of Justice League episodes
 * Maid of Honor (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Metamorphosis (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Only a Dream (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Panic in the Sky (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Patriot Act (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Secret Origins (Justice League) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Secret Origins (Justice League episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Secret Origins (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Secret Society (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Task Force X (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * The Enemy Below (Justice League) → List of Justice League episodes
 * The Enemy Below (Justice League episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * The Enemy Below (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * The Savage Time (Justice League episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * The Brave and the Bold (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Tabula Rasa (Justice League episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Tabula Rasa (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Twilight (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Wild Cards (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * War World (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Paradise Lost (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Ultimatum (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes
 * Wake the Dead (Justice League Unlimited episode) → List of Justice League episodes

*delete, to insure eventual creation of article.UDHSS 14:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC) Keep changing my mind to keeping UDHSS 00:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete All, I think the above 48 redirects to Justice League episodes should be deleted because they could cause problems when someone is searching with articles with similar names and these redirects are really redundant. Gman124 00:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The whole point of a redirect is that they are redundant, thats why we have a redirect, not a separate article. &mdash;dgies tc 05:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * delete allDCboy 01:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all - Aid to searching to searching and insures existing links point to the existing content. Anyone who wants to make an article can replace the redirect. &mdash;dgies tc 05:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all as some might contain history (GDFL issue) and nobody wants to check each one. Anyway, "could cause problems when someone is searching" is a pretty tenuous reason for deletion.  If lots of search results are really a problem....then Wikipedia has problems, period.  Dgies seems to have the most substantive argument so far.  Redirects are cheap, and these might prove useful.  That's good enough for me.  Xtifr tälk 13:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: This is a discussion, not a vote. Got a reason to offer us?  Otherwise, the closer can and probably will ignore your suggestion.  Xtifr tälk 15:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: (later after reason added) ok, fair enough, but not actually much of a reason. A redir is easier to turn into an article, since you don't have to create the article (so you don't even need an account).  At least one of these (the only one I checked the history of) has bounced between being an article and a redirect more than once already.  Xtifr tälk 00:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * delete becasue I find at List of Justice Leage episode's disscusin that they don't want to make episode pages so why keep these redirectUpperd 14:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep changing my mind to keeping Upperd 14:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: The fact that some people currently don't want to make episode pages doesn't mean that other people may not want to later, especially since there's a broader general consensus that articles for individual episodes of television shows are appropriate and desirable. Xtifr tälk 15:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Potentially useful search terms, and as mentioned before may contain history we ahve to hang on to.   A r k y a n  • (talk) 17:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I just checked one at random, and it did indeed contain history. Xtifr tälk 00:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Redirecting individual episodes to the list seems reasonable. No policy reason for delete. Having fiction titles similar to other terms is common. --Shirahadasha 01:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all. If other works of fiction use these titles, it would be appropriate to disambiguate.  Redirects are useful for incoming links as well as search terms. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all per Dgies. Acalamari 16:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all deletion rationales are nonsensical. JuJube 19:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * While I think that individual episode articles are pointless, redirect have some use in that they keep others from endlessly recreating these non-articles. Reluctant keep all.  Rossami (talk) 20:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The Cruzados → Los Cruzados
The result of the debate was move request. This belongs at WP:RM instead. -- JLaTondre 21:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC) Article to be moved. History to be kept evrik (talk) 21:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

Multiple Dave Matthews Band "Live Trax" albums
The result of the debate was no consensus. John Reaves (talk) 17:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC) These redirects are leftover from before the community reached a naming consensus on these albums. Nothing links to these redirects and they aren't anything a user would type when searching for the albums. There are now eight albums with the "Live Trax Vol. X" naming scheme. Adm58 17:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * DMBLive Volume 1 → Live Trax Vol. 1
 * DMBLive Volume 2 → Live Trax Vol. 2
 * DMBLive Volume 4 → Live Trax Vol. 4
 * deleteGman124 22:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * keepUDHSS 14:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unlikely search terms, no in coming links, no point in keeping them.  A r k y a n  • (talk) 17:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. --Shirahadasha 01:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all for compliance with GFDL and as an aid for the editors of the original versions of the articles. The content of these pages was apparently used to create the the subsequent pages.  They have history which pre-dates the editing of the target articles.  In addition to the attribution requirements of GFDL, the redirect serves to point the original editors to the current (preferred) location for editing of the article. By the way, redirects are not supposed to have incoming links.  Not having incoming links is not a deletion criterion.  "Search term" is a deletion rationale when a redirect is directly created.  It is not relevant when the page has history prior to being turned into a redirect.  Rossami (talk) 20:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep DMBLive Volume 1 as contains history that should be kept for GDFL. Weak keep for other two- they result from pagemoves so don't have the GDFL issues. However incoming external links may still use the old titles and the fact that the articles were originally at those titles suggests someone may well search for them using those names. WjBscribe 23:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Pokeyman → Bill Cosby
The result of the debate was Repeat of active nomination. This was previously listed by same nominator on 04 April and that debate hasn't been closed yet. -- JLaTondre 14:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC) This redirect links because of something that Bill 'said' on the Simpson's, when he was never actually on the show. Danlock2 04:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This was alredy listed here on april 4, see below

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gman124 (talk • contribs) 13:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC). 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

Multiple Road Redirects
The result of the debate was delete. John Reaves (talk) 17:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * A34 (UK) → A34 road
 * M8 (UK) → M8 motorway
 * M3 (UK) → M3 motorway
 * M40 (UK) → M40 motorway
 * M42 (UK) → M42 motorway
 * M6 (UK) → M6 motorway
 * M74 (UK) → M74 motorway
 * A34 (UK) → A34 road

Confusing as there is no UK wide road numbering scheme. There is one for Great Britain and one for Northern Ireland which both use similar numbers. See Great Britain road numbering scheme Regan123 12:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * delete allGman124 13:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * keep all UDHSS 14:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Hacking in the Philippines → BAO Team
The result of the debate was Deleted (db-redirnone). -- JLaTondre 12:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC) It is not a plausible redirect, hackings in the Philippines are not limited to the BAO Team Berserkerz Crit 12:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nom - misleading redirect. (Delete unless the redirect is replaced with an article by the end of this RfD.) Wal  ton  Vivat Regina!  16:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * deleteGman124 00:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 'Keep'Upperd 14:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * — upperd (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * 'Delete. A broad topic should not be redirected to a small subtopic. If we don't have an article on the topic, better to acknowledge this than redirect to something that's not really correct. --Shirahadasha 01:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nominator. Acalamari 16:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Pavel Vozenilek 01:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per CSD R1, it's target has been deleted. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 10:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)