Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 December 17

December 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion on December 17, 2007

Craziness domain → Mental retardation
The result of the debate was speedily deleted under CSD G1 by Dlohcierekim.- Mtmelendez (Talk) 00:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea what sense this is supposed to make. Delete. Mike R (talk) 21:28, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Speedy delete this one as G1 (unsalvageably incoherent with no useful content). I have gone ahead and tagged it. — Gavia immer (talk) 17:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Trainable → Mental retardation
The result of the debate was redirect to Training.  bibliomaniac 1  5  01:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this is supposed to be a slur, so I didn't include it with the below entry. However, it doesn't make sense and should go. Mike R (talk) 21:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * it's not an insult but shouldn't redirect to mental retardation as it can apply to many disabilities harlock_jds (talk) 23:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy-delete as vandalism. I find it hard to believe that the creation of this redirect would be a legitimate user's first edit.  WP:AGF has limits.  Rossami (talk) 16:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to training. - Mtmelendez (Talk) 00:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to training makes the most sense. Cburnett (talk) 04:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

====Retard, Retards, Retarded, Mental retard, Mentally Retard, Half-wit, Half-Wit, 'tard, Tard, Tardster, Imbecile, Imbecility, Imbeciles → Mental retardation==== The result of the debate was No concensus.' (default keep) Recommend renominate separately as there was apparently difficulty with forming concensus with this disparate list. JERRY talk contribs 23:45, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not a good idea for slurs to redirect to the object of those slurs. We don't redirect faggot to homosexuality, for example. Mike R (talk) 21:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep in general. Just because a pejorative redirect exists does not mean that WP supports said use.  While faggot doesn't mention it (I presume it was removed for the very reason you've started this RFD, but I haven't researched why), fag does.  Spade (disambiguation) mentions black people.  Kike, Cracker (pejorative), nigger, and cunt not only exist but are full articles!  So your deletion rationale isn't good enough for me to delete these redirects en masse.  Cburnett (talk) 00:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep retard because it has an extensive history of vandalism. A protected redirect is a fairly clean way to preempt the vandalism.  The page also has at least three inbound links which are being used appropriately. Weak keep for retards and retarded as a grammatical variations.  (Weak because the inbound links and history show less appropriate uses.) Delete mental retard, Mentally Retard, 'tard and Tardster as inappropriate with no appropriate uses in history that I could find. Abstain for now on half-wit because while it has some historical usage, I can't find any appropriate usage here. Delete Half-Wit.  It was created in good faith as a capitalization variant but is grammatically incorrect.  While Half-wit might be capitalized if it were at the front of a sentence, it would never be capitalized with both terms. (Given the note below, changing my opinion to abstain for now.) Retarget Tard to Tard, Hungary and protect to stop the vandalism. Keep Imbecile, Imbecility and Imbeciles.  The history shows mostly appropriate use.  Rossami (talk) 16:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Re: "Half-Wit". I created it because of Half-Wit (House episode).  I don't think Half-Wit (House episode) should be moved to Half-Wit (I generally oppose capitalization variants pointing to different articles) so I redirected Half-Wit to match half-wit.  Cburnett (talk) 17:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Next time, please break these nominations down into the individual issues.  These mass-nominations are extremely difficult to manage when the pages have such different histories.  Rossami (talk)
 * Endorse doing what Rossami suggests (no, I'm not going to repeat it). He's got the right idea here. Note in particular that retarded and imbecile are both common in historical use without implying a specific intent to insult. I, too, am unsure about half-wit (which is mostly just a general term for a stupid person), but it probably should point somewhere. — Gavia immer (talk) 17:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect all to stupidity, except for Tard which seems to be a real town. They're mostly used now as generic pejoratives, not as slurs against people with an actual disability, so they're all basically equivalent to calling someone "stupid". Most of the time no other offence is meant. Moyabrit (talk) 10:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you serious? Why should "Mental retard" be pointed to stupidity and not mental retardation when it's clearly a shortened form?  Mentally retard, retarded, retard, and retards all fall from "mental retardation" and I can't believe for one second that anyone putting in "retarded" wants stupidity and not mental retardation...  Cburnett (talk) 14:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, didn't see that those two are phrases rather than single words - for them I change my vote to delete. For the rest, I do think they're mainly used as pejorative forms of "stupid". The mental retardation article's first section explains at length that it's become pejorative. Moyabrit (talk) 14:39, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Relist per Rossami; as he explains, there are too many split opinions on these for this RfD to work well. You could group together the ones that differ only by capitalization or suffix (i.e. retard-retards-retarded, and so on), I'd think. Tijuana Brass (talk) 18:15, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep at least all words that were formerly (or still are) used seriously, but Redirect them when appropriate. For example, Retard, Retards, Retarded, Mental retard are fine; Half-wit should go to Stupidity if there is no better article; Imbecile, Imbecility, Imbeciles should redirect to a new article (like our article Idiot) or to Stupidity until that is written. And of course, Tard should redirect to the town, while Half-Wit more properly redirects to the TV episode. Or Relist so we can keep all this straight! &mdash;Toby Bartels (talk) 22:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * These should have been relisted separately, but what is done is done I suppose. The first five should clearly stay as different forms of the word. Tard should go the city named after it. I don't think "imbecile" is a term for retardation, and there isn't a source to that effect at the article. They work better at stupidity than metal retardation. I guess Half-Wit and Half-wit should go to stupidity, but I don't have s strong opinion on it. Delete 'tard and tardster, as I don't think they would be searched for. I (talk) 03:39, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate wasDelete No participation, but it remained unused, and nom did notify creator/ modifiers. JERRY talk contribs 23:38, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I cleaned up this redirect, no pages point there as of today. I don't think it is useful in any way. -- lucasbfr talk 10:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'