Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 February 4

Tommy Grant (actor) → Tommy Grant
The result of the debate was delete. --Core desat  16:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC) The target page is about a fictional character, not an actor. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (talk) 12:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete, misleading. — coe l acan t a lk  — 06:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Page has no incoming links. - grubber 13:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Reza Pahlavi → Reza Pahlavi (disambiguation)
The result of the debate was Deleted, "Reza Cyrus Pahlavi" moved to Reza Pahlavi. NawlinWiki 14:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC) This redirect should be deleted to open up space to move the Reza Cyrus Pahlavi in to Reza Pahlavi. The reasons for this is that the Reza Cyrus Pahlavi article has been wrongly named this way, as:


 * 1) He himself does not use this name (http://www.rezapahlavi.org] and
 * 2) There are no sources which refer to him by this name.


 * This has been discussed many times through the talk page  with no disagreements.

Once this redirect is over, we can move the Reza Cyrus Pahlavi article to Reza Pahlavi and put a note to the disambiguation page on the top of it. This is because Reza Pahlavi is the only person who is known with this name. Thanks. Rayis 12:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nomination --Rayis 12:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination, and my previous posts on the Reza Cyrus Pahlavi talk page. Shervink 20:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)shervink
 * Delete per nomination --Bnguyen 05:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination --Mardavich 00:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination --Pejman47 09:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I think this is a requested move. Khatru2 09:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Der Königin der Nacht → Die Königin der Nacht
The result of the debate was retarget to The Magic Flute. --Core desat  16:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC) Misnomer, correct title Die Königin der Nacht redirects to The Magic Flute. "Der" is object case in German for female nouns. --FordPrefect42 20:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. Over 31000 ghits suggests this might be a useful redirect. Should make it bypass the double, of course. — coe l acan t a lk  — 06:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Certainly, literally translated it means "of the Queen of the Night". Not a valid title for a wikipedia article by any means. Definite articles should be best omitted anyway, cf. Naming conventions (definite and indefinite articles at beginning of name). Königin der Nacht (w/o "der" or "die") would be the best redirect, no danger of mixing up case and gender. --FordPrefect42 17:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In German if you talked about her, you would always say Die Königin der Nacht blah blah blah. It wouldn't appear without the article. The opera calls her by name with the definite article everywhere, if my memory is serving me right. It's part of her title, so it should stay (and should be nominitive case die). - grubber 04:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC) On second thought, I suppose even then, you would still title an article without the article even in German (ex: de:Königin von Saba) - grubber 04:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as redirect to The Magic Flute. A plausible search term if someone gets their German cases or genders mixed up. WJBscribe 07:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect all these variants to The Magic Flute per my comment above and below in the next template discussion. - grubber 04:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep but correct the target. This is an entirely plausible mistake in German grammar.  Rossami (talk) 05:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Accepting this kind of mistake has a dangerous potential to generate massive amount of similar redirects for such articles. Pavel Vozenilek 03:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Der Koenigin der Nacht → Der Königin der Nacht
The result of the debate was retarget to The Magic Flute. --Core desat  16:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC) Misnomer, correct title Die Königin der Nacht redirects to The Magic Flute. "Der" is object case in German for female nouns. Plus double redirect. --FordPrefect42 20:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. Over 31000 ghits suggests this might be a useful redirect. Should make it bypass the double, of course. — coe l acan t a lk  — 06:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually this one is rather frighteningly a tripple redirect: Der Koenigin der Nacht → Der Königin der Nacht→ Die Königin der Nacht → The Magic Flute! WJBscribe 07:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as redirect to The Magic Flute. A plausible search term if someone gets their German cases or genders mixed up. WJBscribe 07:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - oe (as in Koenigin) is sometimes used as a variant transcription of ö (as in Königin) (example), so this is a valid variant spelling. Gavia immer (u|t)  17:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Magic Flute (or at least Die Königin der Nacht): A few notes on the German here:
 * oe is perfectly acceptable for ö in German and is used whenever the ö symbol is missing from the keyboard or font. (Goethe is one of the few examples in German that is almost always written with the oe.)
 * If we believe that there is a chance for a whole article on the Queen of the Night, then we should redirect to Die Königin der Nacht. I think that's unlikely, since even the German wikipedia has no article for her. Therefore, I vote to redirect all these to The Magic Flute.
 * The first der is wrong; so the redirect should at least go to Die Königin der Nacht if you disagree with me on redirecting to the opera itself (queen is feminine, so it takes the feminine article die; der is masculine -- except the one before Nacht in this example, which is the feminine genitive (Queen of the Night), yeah it's confusing, just trust me on this :))
 * Keep but correct the target. In general, redirects to correct for the inability of most english speakers to easily type an ö are perfectly reasonable - and replacement with oe is the approved spelling variant.  It's not even a typo.  Rossami (talk) 05:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and retarget Pavel Vozenilek 03:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)