Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 January 23

Redirects to Asperger syndrome
The result of the debate was Two deleted & two kept. Assburger seems a valid misspelling per consensus. I think the space in other two makes them unlikely typos. This is especially true of ass pie whose history showed that it was originally created with a different target. -- JLaTondre 01:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: Just to make it clear: Assburger's syndrome and Assburger were kept; Ass pie and Ass burger were deleted.--Aervanath (talk) 03:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) Ass pie
 * 2) Assburger's syndrome
 * 3) Assburger
 * 4) Ass burger

These four redirects all serve to disparage people with the condition described at the target. Previous deletions of similar material are at 2007 January 2 and 2006 December 13. Although it has been claimed that "assburger" is a plausible search based on a mishearing of the name, previous discussion supported deletion. (note: I have opened a deletion review discussion for this —Random832 2007-01-25 16:40 UTC (01/25 11:40 EST) ) These should go as well. Gavia immer (u|t)  18:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: Several delete !votes in this discussion explicitly do not apply to all four nominees. —Random832 2007-01-25 16:40 UTC (01/25 11:40 EST)


 * Keep Assburger's syndrome. It might be silly looking to someone who is intimately familiar with the syndrome, but the phonetic spelling essentially guarantees that some folks who are honestly interested in the subject (and have never typed it) will type what appears to be disparaging, but isn't.  The purpose of those redirects (with the exception of the first one, that doesn't make any sense to me) is to point those people to the proper article. - C HAIRBOY  (☎) 19:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete and protect from recreation just like Assburger syndrome. I do give credence that "assburger" may be a mistranslation of "asperger" but it's too inflammatory and I don't see their creation as intending to rectify a mistranslation. Cburnett 19:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I recreated Assburger's syndrome as a redirect personally, so I hope you aren't suggesting that I did so with anything other than legit intentions. Whether or not you consider it inflammatory has no effect on whether or not it's a useful redirect.  If the redirect was titled 'Unsocial jerky boys' or 'People who are crazy silly' or something, that'd be one thing, but this is a legit phonetic (and widespread, google the term) name that is a perfect example for a redirect. - C HAIRBOY  (☎) 19:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, you didn't recreate it. It was put up for speedy and instead of following directions (I see no explanation on the talk page) you reverted.  There exists a line between inflammatory and useful redirect and I put it near inflammatory. Sorry if you disagree. Cburnett 20:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Ass pie, Assburger, and Ass burger, keep Assburger's syndrome. A likely misspelling, seems to me a potentially useful redirect.  If there are concerns that WP is endorsing a POV, perhaps we can put a note on a talk page to the contrary.  Nobody's going to find this redirect unless they type it in anyway.  delldot | talk 21:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC) Since a couple people have mentioned that they thought it was spelled ass burger at first, I'm changing my recommendation to keep Assburger, and Ass burger after all.  Again, I see the potential helpfulness of these redirects as outweighing their potential offensiveness.  Ass pie still sounds kind of farfetched to me though.  delldot | talk 00:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Ass pie, Assburger, and Ass burger, however I'd think that "Asburger" or "Asberger" would be more likely misspellings of "Asperger"; but as a phonetic possibility, I'd keep the last. SkierRMH 03:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * keep Assburger's syndrome, review Assburger syndrome - (Note: I have this condition) I have seen this misspelling used with absolutely no disparaging intent with the belief it's spelled that way. And "I don't see their creation as intending to rectify a mistranslation." isn't an argument; what matters is its end result, and the effect is to make the article easier to find. —Random832 20070125T025532UTC(01/24 21:55EST) delete Ass Pie, not a plausible misspelling of the term it seems to be a corruption of. —Random832 2007-01-25 17:33 UTC (01/25 12:33 EST)
 * Comment - I agree that we should review Assburger syndrome. delldot | talk 17:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all, while we keep harmless typo redirects for convenience, we shouldn't do so for bad jokes or disparaging intentional misspellings. Kusma (討論) 13:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I think it's far from established that this misspelling is a "disparaging intentional" one. The mere fact that it contains a "bad word" is not sufficient to conclude that. Like Chairboy said, it's not like the redirect is from "Unsocial jerky boys". The simple fact is, regardless of one being a "bad word", it is the only sequence of common english words that matches the phonemes of the actual name, which means that people who have only heard it and not seen it written down will likely try that for a search. —Random832 2007-01-25 13:28 UTC (01/25 08:28 EST)
 * Delete only Ass pie. I must admit, even I thought it was Ass burger when I first heard it. But "Ass pie" is just ridiculous. There is a chance someone else might hear of "Ass burger" and want to look it up (that's how I found it, actually). Matty-chan
 * Comment I wondered about Ass pie myself; it turns out that the term "Aspie" is in somewhat common use to describe someone with Asperger syndrome, so it's likely just a disparaging variant of that. Gavia immer (u|t)  17:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the Aspie that describes someone with Asperger syndrome would be pronounced with a long e sound. The way they have it spelled in the redirect looks like it uses the long i sound. Matty-chan 18:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * No one sees the "disparaging" names unless they are fumbling about while trying to find Asperger syndrome. Hearing someone use the words, I myself searched on "ass burger."  I consider myself a very literate person.  I do not see why these are marked for deletion.  These are not listed on a special page describing how one would go about disparaging people with the syndrome, are they?  Is there a better way to do the redirect? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.213.5.158 (talk • contribs).

WP:MLB → Major League Baseball
The result of the debate was Deleted. -- JLaTondre 02:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC) Major League Baseball is not in the wikipedia namespace. Also, the shortcut box on Major League Baseball (added here) will need to be removed. Cburnett 15:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete and remove the shortcut box per Cburnett. delldot | talk 21:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Shortcut WP is for wikipedia name space only.Phatom87 15:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Iced Kola  23:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:IPOD → iPod
The result of the debate was Deleted. -- JLaTondre 02:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC) iPod is not in the wikipedia namespace. Cburnett 15:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per Cburnett. delldot | talk 21:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Only articles in the wikipedia name space should use the WP: naming other wise there is no way to avoid possible naming collisions. Also per Shortcut WP is for wikipedia name space only. Phatom87 15:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:TMNT → Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987 TV series)
The result of the debate was Deleted. -- JLaTondre 02:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987 TV series) is not in the wikipedia namespace. Also, the shortcut box on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987 TV series) (added here) will need to be removed. Cburnett 15:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete and remove the shortcut box per Cburnett. delldot | talk 21:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Shortcut WP is for wikipedia name space only. Phatom87 15:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

The Outlandish Knight → Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight
The result of the debate was Converted to disambig. -- JLaTondre 22:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC) The Outlandish Knight is a 1999 book by Richard Adams. The target article has no mention of this or of any reason the two pages are linked together. This page deserves its own wiki entry--but this misleading redirection should be deleted first. Philip (Respond?) 16:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete, or if somebody can explain why this redirect exists in the first place, create a disambig page. delldot | talk 21:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC) Make into disambiguation page per Goldenrowley. delldot | talk 01:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment, doing a google search yields this which seems to at least show some kind of link between the two. I have left a note on User talk:Goldenrowley (creator of the redirect) to comment here.  Cburnett 22:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * HI I guess you did not read the whole article, because it said the Outlandish Knight is a variant of the ballad Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight about midway down, this comes from Child's list. I have just finished expanding and listing 2 sources stating Outlandish Knight is a variant of Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight and where it was published as a ballad. Since we've located two things with this name, I would suggest turn the "redirect" page into a "disambig page" Goldenrowley 02:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep if not make a dab page for the ballad and the 1999 book. Cburnett 15:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)