Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 July 14

Kram3r → Gronk
The result of the debate was delete. WjBscribe 02:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC) Gronk is a popular target for redirects created by. I fixed one he made at Terri Bozzio, redirecting it to Terry Bozzio. A web search on this turned up a YouTube video that a user also named M.C. Brown Shoes seems to have liked, but it has no obvious connection to the artist Gronk, nor can I find any evidence that such a connection exists. Xtifr tälk 12:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. While I appreciate the work you did looking for a connection, if the redirect is not mentioned at the target then it will only cause confusion for those who enter it. Even if they are connected, it needs to appear in the target article.  Big Nate 37 (T) 16:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If I had found a connection, I would have added it to the article, so that base would have been covered. But since I didn't, I couldn't. :)  Xtifr tälk 22:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete as unrelated.  Sala Skan  00:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as random and inappropriate. We expect our redirects to be correct. EdJohnston 02:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Unvodka → 7 Up
The result of the debate was delete. WjBscribe 02:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC) Another eccentric creation of (see below). Some searching reveals that "Un" is a brand of vodka, and also that a wide variety of beverages have been referred to by various people as "unvodka", but nothing at all indicates that unvodka is or should be a reference to 7 Up in particular. Xtifr tälk 12:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. Not mentioned at target, and a quick googling finds no mention of unvodka or "un vodka" at site:en.wikipedia.org, suggesting no alternative targets exist for this redirect.  Big Nate 37 (T) 16:09, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as implausible.  Sala Skan  00:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as misleading and incorrect. No evidence it is even the right target article. EdJohnston 01:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Wau Carl and the Passions → Wau Holland
The result of the debate was delete. WjBscribe 02:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC) One of many very dubious redirects created by (see also: The Enemies → Coati Mundi.) Nothing at the target article nor anything I can find by any searches (ignoring Wikipedia mirrors) suggests any reason why this name should exist, let alone point to Wau Holland. Xtifr tälk 12:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete obviously.  Sala Skan  00:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom as incorrect. EdJohnston 02:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

List of people known as father or mother of something → Pater Patriae
The result of the debate was delete. WjBscribe 02:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC) Odd reusing the name of a deleted article (see AfD discussion) to point to a page with a rather dubious connection. Essentially an old list of the "fathers of..." everything page now points to one that is very narrow/specific; the father of a state/nation. Tarc 04:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete Wha...? Shalom Hello 04:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as an unrelated redirect.  Sala Skan  00:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. The title of the old list made sense, even though it got deleted. As argued by the nominator, the new redirect doesn't make sense. EdJohnston 02:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete target much narrower than the (recently deleted, I thought) list. Carlossuarez46 02:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Twentysomething (disambig) → Twentysomething
The result of the debate was delete. WjBscribe 02:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC) This is a misnamed DAB page, with a longer name than the page it goes to! Nominated for deletion because most (if not all) people will go to the shorter name or correct DAB page. JohnI 09:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination . Twentysomething is already serving as a disambiguation page. Twentysomething (disambig) had been nominated for speedy deletion under 'housekeeping', but someone indicated that the RfD process was necessary. As a redirect, it does not fall under our own Speedy criteria, so it needs a full debate . EdJohnston 15:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. This *does* fall under the language of db-move," removing a disambig page that only points to a single article", if we interpret Twentysomething as being the single article. EdJohnston 17:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. It's very unlikely that anybody will type that rather than typing just Twentysomething. -- Loukinho 15:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Loukinho. What purpose does it have in Wikipedia? ionas68224|talk|contribs|email 18:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't see the purpose of deleting this one. Yes, it is very unlikely that someone actually uses this redirect, but the fact that it has been created proves that someone once used it. Why delete it?  Sala Skan  00:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: it's hard enough to argue for redirects that have "(disambiguation)" in their name, but those at least have a valid use in certain templates. This, as its history suggests, is simply a leftover redirect from a page move.  It was not created because someone found it useful; it was simply created before we standardized names for disambiguation pages.  As such, it's deletion borders on mere housekeeping.  Note that Salaskan is not arguing that he finds this useful, but is merely under the misapprehension that someone else did.  I see no evidence to support that claim.  Xtifr tälk 21:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

High Preist Not to Be described → High preist not to be described
The result of the debate was delete. WjBscribe 00:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC) I have created a new uncapitalised REDIRECT. This is much more useful than the partially capitalised REDIRECT, as it will catch all partial capitalisations. Reproposing deletion of useless one again. JohnI 23:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * No redirect exists at High priest not to be described, why do we need the typo redirects? - ∅  ( ∅ ), 00:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * See:Discussion here for previous attempt to delete this. JohnI 03:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I still say delete, per BigNate37. "A typo and mis-cap together are highly unlikely and the number of combinations of such are prohibitive; we should not have redirects for all of them and they are unlikely enough individually that we should not have any of them." - ∅  ( ∅ ), 05:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: now it does.  Big Nate 37 (T) 21:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete the oddly capitalized redirect though, having both "preist" and "Not to Be described" with "described" uncapitalized in the same redirect is just too silly for an encyclopedia. - ∅  ( ∅ ), 00:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I fixed the double redirect. Doesn't mean that it'll stick, though. -- Gavia immer (talk) 17:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong keep why delete this? It is not implausible, "preist" is a common typo and the capitalisations of titles can be very confusing.  Sala Skan  00:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree about the typo part of your message. Have you read what I wrote above? If you have, can you please explain why you voted to keep, as the new REDIRECT will catch all mispellings not just the one. JohnI 06:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: It won't catch all misspellings in all circumstances. Recall that while the search box is smart enough to search for capitalization variants, the servers won't do the same for URLs typed in links coming in from elsewhere. The same is true for internal links.  Big Nate 37 (T) 20:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: For this link there are 64 possible capitalisations on just the first letter of each word. The one listed above is one of the least likely to be chosen as it is inconsistently capitalised. Rather than trying to cover all possibilities, I suggest alerting users to use lower case for their searches. As for links, contributors should be looking for the correct link not using intermediate REDIRECTs to get to the target. JohnI 21:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Granted. I am not trying to discredit your nomination, but to clarify your semantics lest someone unfamiliar with the nature of links vs. searches be misinformed. Also, there's 32 combinations—the first word is going to be capitalized whether you treat it as such or not.  Big Nate 37 (T) 22:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It's good to reach a consensus. Thanks for the discussion. JohnI 23:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete now that this is redundant to the lower-cased version. Note that this is a reversal of my "weak keep" opinion from the previous debate, as nom's new redirect has addressed my objections.  Xtifr tälk 21:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)