Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 July 17

The real killer → O. J. Simpson murder case
The result of the debate was Deleted. This is too generic for one specific use. -- JLaTondre 00:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC) Was posted for speedy with the reason "NPOV violating redirect (odd and weird and obscure, admittedly - but still problematic". As the redirect goes to the case, not to OJ Simpson himself, I don't think this meets "attack redirect", so I am posting this here for more input. I'd say delete as obscure and not very useful, but can imagine that arguments to keep exist. Kusma (talk) 10:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep because he is the real killer because this phrasing is commonly used in discussions about the target article's subject. In all seriousness, this would be a violation of NPOV if it were to point at Simpson himself; however, just as we can justifiably refer to the "O. J. Simpson murder case" (the name in common use) without violating NPOV, we can certainly redirect from a famous direct quote of Simpson that is mentioned (albeit briefly) in the target article. I do think it has the possibility to be overly generic, but I'll bet the Simpson case is the most likely target for searches. -- Gavia immer (talk) 13:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete eccentric redirect. Even a Google search for 'the real killer' turns up no reference to O.J. in the first two pages of results. I agree with the nominator that this redirect is 'obscure and not very useful.' EdJohnston 21:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete in practice, an instance of really outrageous POV DGG (talk) 23:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. POV issues are not applicable, but it is not clear to me that everybody who types A is looking for B here. Phil Sandifer 17:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Dubya → George W. Bush
The result of the debate was Changed target of redirect per consensus below. &#9679;DanMS • Talk 16:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC) While the term should certainly redirect to something, and the 43rd president is indeed who it refers to, I propose changing the redirect to List of United States Presidential names. That way, people totally unfamiliar with the term will at once discover what it means. And no, it's not immediately obvious as such, because (if you don't already know better) "Dubya" may very well refer to some person or incident in the president's life, not the man himself. (The article George W. Bush has only one mention of the nickname, at the end of the section Childhood to mid-life, where it would be lost to people who don't already know where to look.) Make sense? $$\sim$$ Lenoxus " * " 22:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect per nom. I agree with the rationale. Also, can a sysop please tag the redirect with the rfd template? --- RockMFR 23:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've asked on the talk page. Hut 8.5 17:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nomination. I agree that the List is a better target than the article in this case. EdJohnston 01:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above. Hut 8.5 17:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Question Why are you nominating this instead of retargeting yourself? TheBlazikenMaster 20:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a protected redirect; it requires an administrator to change. Besides, it's controversial, and might need some consensus. This is Redirects for Discussion, not Deletion. EdJohnston 20:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Did I EVER say it was for deletion? And thanks for explaining. TheBlazikenMaster 21:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Retarget to content dealing more specifically with the term. Phil Sandifer 17:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. I found this RfD from a link on Redirect, where this redirect is given as an example. Please update it after this RfD is over. As for the actual RfD, retarget per above. Makes more sense, and is also "less insulting" if it redirects to a how-why-usage of the term, not to the person itself. – sgeureka t•c 14:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Point taken. If we change the redirect to point to the list rather than the article it might be considered less insulting. EdJohnston 01:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Retarget as above. The redirect to list of presidential nicknames seems much more appropriate. If an unwitting user found a link to “Dubya” and followed it to George W. Bush, he might have no clue as to why the link was redirected to Bush. &#9679;DanMS • Talk 02:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)