Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 June 6

Brian Radel → American teenage girl charged with murder of her mother and Jason Arrant → American teenage girl charged with murder of her mother
The result of the debate was delete  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  23:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC) Both are cross-wiki soft redirects from the article namespace to a Wikinews story. Since soft redirects are nothing more than a technical workaround to the inability of using a true cross-wiki redirect, it's as if the articles were redirecting to the wikinews story. Not only should cross-wiki redirects from article namespace usually be avoided, there are also WP:BLP concerns (both soft redirects are currently in Category:Living people). --cesarb 00:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. Cross-wiki redirects from the mainspace are a bad idea. I agree that there are WP:BLP concerns as well. WjBscribe 01:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * When are cross-wiki redirects supposed to be used? WP:SRD suggests their use for wiktionary-type articles that are often recreated. Is that the only acceptable use on the mainspace? nadav (talk) 08:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * On the article namespace, it's mostly for cross-wiki shortcuts (WP: pseudo-namespace) and a few old cross-wiki redirects. In fact, the same situations where cross-namespace redirects would be acceptable. Soft redirects are more useful on Wikipedia-namespace pages which were moved to meta, or other similar situations. --cesarb 09:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I still don't understand. Has there been a discussion you can point me to? Links to wikimedia sister projects are usually encouraged (WP:SISTER), and I think it is incorrect to generalize the prohibition on redirects into userspace etc. to interwiki redirects. And we already have such links in disambiguation pages and hatnotes. I think further explanation is needed, since I noticed you also proposed deletion for other soft redirects to sister projects (which are unaffected by BLP). nadav (talk) 01:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. There are various reasons. First, links to sister projects are included in articles, however I believe the clause applies if there actually is an article. The best solution would be to create an article on the incident or perpetrator, and include links to sister projects within the article to support the information included (although this seems unlikely, since that article was recently deleted for notability and WP:BLP issues). Second, stand-alone soft redirects are usually used to direct users to Wiki -related media on other projects (policies, guidelines, etc.), but not to redirect articles, because articles belong in Wikipedia. Use common sense. Redirecting article titles to other projects goes against the whole objective of Wikipedia, since this project is about creating an encyclopedia, not a directory of all things Wiki. Third, various issues were brought in the deletion discussion of the other person involved in the topic, Rachelle Waterman, which is best summed up by the closing admin: "Article about serious allegations against a minor that were never proved in court. Not enough material to provide a balanced article about the person and the allegations are ultimately just a news story." Linking article titles to news about allegations and accusations implies that such person is notable for such incident, and may potentially violate WP:BLP since they may or may not be true, and its one of many examples when WP:NOTNEWS applies. - Mtmelendez (Talk 04:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete I never expressed an opinion about this particular redirect, so I'll do so now. I originally made the page a redirect just because I saw wikinews had a lot of sourced coverage, but I am a big believer in BLP and I also agree that it feels unnatural and wrong for an encyclopedia to have pages whose sole purpose is to refer readers to newspaper stand-ins. Anyways, I think the soft redirect and sister projects guidelines need to better delimit how and when soft redirects should be used, especially since they seem to encourage it for oft created dictionary pages and the like. I would support changing the guidelines to address this problem. nadav (talk) 06:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:The vincent gang → Talk:National Basketball Association
The result of the debate was Deleted (CSD G3). -- JLaTondre 11:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC) Complete nonsense redirect. fuzzy510 06:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

List of people named Ho → List of people by name: name Ho
The result of the debate was speedy delete per CSD R1 (redirect to nonexistent page). Black Falcon (Talk) 17:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC) Target article does not exist CPAScott 16:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Tagged CSD R1 (redirect to nonexistant article) -wizzard2k  ( C &#x2022;  T  &#x2022;  D ) 16:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

Michael moore → Michael Moore
The result of the debate was protected. Kusma (talk) 07:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC) Michael moore (with lower case m, not Michael Moore) is being used to redirect users to butt plug and other bad things on a regular basis, presumably to upset moore fans. Can we stop this - thought maybe we should just delete the page, so I put in a page deletion tag. Cheers, --Dilaudid 22:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Just go to WP:RPP and request protection. --- RockMFR 01:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: I have entered such a request for page protection thanks to RockMFR. This discussion can be closed. Yechiel Man  04:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)