Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 March 17

Misc redirects to the Portal: namespace
The result of the debate was delete. —Centrx→talk &bull; 18:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Overview democracy (hist) &rArr; Portal:Politics
 * Russian wikipedians' notice board (hist) &rArr; Portal:Russia/Russia-related Wikipedia notice board
 * List of democracy and elections-related topics (hist) &rArr; Portal:Politics
 * Dominic Choy (hist) &rArr; Portal:Sexuality/News
 * Distance sex (hist) &rArr; Portal:Sexuality/News
 * CEANZ (hist) &rArr; Portal:Current events/Oceania
 * Computers & Electronics (hist) &rArr; Portal:Technology
 * Computers electronics (hist) &rArr; Portal:Technology
 * Military of Australia/Selected picture archive (hist) &rArr; Portal:Military of Australia/Selected picture archive
 * We need more internets (hist) &rArr; Portal:Internet
 * Indian notable birthdays in October (hist) &rArr; Portal:Current events/India/Indian notable birthdays in October
 * Delete. This is another re–nomination from the mass nomination by Radiant! yesterday, with these being the misc entries. None of them have a significant history and should be deleted because they are unneeded cross–namespace redirects suggest encyclopaedic articles exist at those titles or a non–standard shortcut which could be replaced with a WP:. Note that List of democracy and elections-related topics has quite a few incoming links and I suggest these are replaced with a portal link if appropriate. mattbr 23:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unhelpful, unnecessary and confusion to the average user. Replace incoming links with a standard Portal link template instead per nom. WjBscribe 23:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all - all of these are confusable with article content, except for CEANZ (replace with P:CEANZ) and We need more internets (just kill it). Gavia immer (talk) 17:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Dated redirects to the Portal: namespace
The result of the debate was delete. —Centrx→talk &bull; 18:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * May 2006 in Thailand (hist) &rArr; Portal:Current events/Southeast Asia
 * July 2006 in the United States (hist) &rArr; Portal:Current events/United States
 * 7 July 2006 (hist) &rArr; Portal:Current events/2006 July 7
 * August 2006 in Southeast Asia (hist) &rArr; Portal:Current events/Southeast Asia
 * August 2006 in Africa (hist) &rArr; Portal:Current events/Africa
 * September 2006 in Africa (hist) &rArr; Portal:Current events/Africa
 * August 2006 in the Middle East (hist) &rArr; Portal:Current events/Middle East/August 2006 in the Middle East
 * January 2007 in Oceania (hist) &rArr; Portal:Current events/Oceania
 * February 2007 in Oceania (hist) &rArr; Portal:Current events/Oceania
 * Delete. This is a re–nomination of all the date–related redirects to the Portal: namespace which I haven't been able to retarget from the mass nomination by Radiant! yesterday. None of them have a significant history (edits to August 2006 in the Middle East relate to vandalism and edits to 7 July 2006 relate to an anniversary not in the list and a transclusion) and should be deleted because they pointing to current events pages when the dates are not current and we don't have date specific links. mattbr 17:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not useful and have titles that suggest encyclopedic articles exist at those titles. User would not be expecting to end up at a portal. WjBscribe 18:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom and WjBscribe. Gavia immer (talk) 17:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

User Gujarat → Template:User Gujarat
The result of the debate was delete. He knows what happened. —Centrx→talk &bull; 18:36, 24 March 2007 (UTC) Redirect from article space to a userbox, left over from page move – Qxz 11:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep until creator has been notified that his page was moved, then delete it. We don't need the CNR, but the userbox creator should know what happened. Gavia immer (talk) 14:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Also recommend deleting User:Gujarat, a redirect from the userspace to the template space. --- RockMFR 01:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Portal–related redirects to the Portal: namespace
The result of the debate was no consensus. John Reaves (talk) 20:33, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Uawp (hist) &rArr; Portal:Ukraine
 * Ruwp (hist) &rArr; Portal:Russia


 * Wikiportal:Poland (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Did you know (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Did you know
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Selected anniversaries
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/January (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/January
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/February (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/February
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/March (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/March
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/April (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/April
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/May (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/May
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/June (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/June
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/July (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/July
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/August (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/August
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/September (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/September
 * Talk:Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/September (hist) &rArr; Portal talk:Poland/Selected anniversaries/September
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/October (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/October
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/November (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/November
 * Wikiportal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/December (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland/Selected anniversaries/December


 * History portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:History
 * Russia portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Russia
 * Ukraine portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Ukraine
 * Ukrainian portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Ukraine
 * Russian portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Russia
 * Canada portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Canada
 * Canadian portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Canada
 * WikiChemist (hist) &rArr; Portal:Chemistry
 * London Portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:London
 * Indian Portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:India
 * India Portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:India
 * Germany portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Germany
 * Star wars portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Star Wars
 * Cricket portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Cricket
 * Portal india (hist) &rArr; Portal:India
 * Poland portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poland
 * Romania portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Romania
 * Literature portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Literature
 * Philosophy portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Philosophy
 * Geography portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Geography
 * Arts portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Arts
 * Architecture portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Architecture
 * Biography portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Biography
 * Science portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Science
 * Society portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Society
 * Technology portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Technology
 * Agronomy portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Agropedia
 * Astronomy portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Astronomy
 * Biology portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Biology
 * Africa portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Africa
 * Asia portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Asia
 * Europe portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Europe
 * North America portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:North America
 * Oceania portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Oceania
 * Latin America portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Latin America
 * Comics portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Comics
 * Comic portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Comics
 * Dance portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Dance
 * Film portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Film
 * Music portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Music
 * Theatre portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Theatre
 * Visual arts portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Visual arts
 * Art portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Visual arts
 * Harry Potter portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Harry Potter
 * Middle-earth portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Middle-earth
 * Middle earth portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Middle-earth
 * Math portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Mathematics
 * Mathematics portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Mathematics
 * Chemistry portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Chemistry
 * Earth Sciences portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Earth sciences
 * Biotechnology portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Biotechnology
 * Physics portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Physics
 * Medicine portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Medicine
 * History of science portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:History of science
 * Economics portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Business and economics
 * Education portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Education
 * Law portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Law
 * Poetry portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Poetry
 * Politics portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Politics
 * Culture portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Culture
 * Personal life portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Personal life
 * Information Technology portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Information technology
 * IT portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Information technology
 * Transport portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Transport
 * Transportation portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Transport
 * Engineering portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Engineering
 * War portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:War
 * Archaeology portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Archaeology
 * Ancient Germanic culture portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Ancient Germanic culture
 * Classical civilization portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Classical Civilisation
 * Classical Civilisation portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Classical Civilisation
 * Egyptology portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Egyptology
 * Oz portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Oz
 * Shakespeare portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Shakespeare
 * Speculative fiction portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Speculative fiction
 * Beatles portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:The Beatles
 * The beatles portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:The Beatles
 * Electromagnetism portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Electromagnetism
 * Sexuality portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Sexuality
 * Mythology portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Mythology
 * Marines Portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:United States Marine Corps
 * Philadelphia portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Philadelphia
 * Christianity portals (hist) &rArr; Portal:Christianity
 * Wikitendo (hist) &rArr; Portal:Nintendo
 * The thinking portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Thinking
 * Energy portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Energy
 * West Bengal Portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:West Bengal
 * Japanese Car Portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Japanese cars
 * Portal Philippines (hist) &rArr; Portal:Philippines
 * Philippines Portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Philippines
 * Vancouver Portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Vancouver
 * Fish portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Fish
 * The fish portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Fish
 * Harry potter portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Harry Potter
 * The Fish Portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Fish
 * Fish Portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Fish
 * Kazakhstan Portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Kazakhstan


 * Solar system portal (hist) &rArr; Portal:Solar system – This has a 'significant' history, but the initial creator performed a cut-and-paste move to Portal:Solar system and subsequently blanked.


 * Delete. This is a re–nomination of all the redirects to the Portal: namespace which are non–standard shortcuts, are in a pseudo–namespace, or contain portal in them from the mass nomination by Radiant! yesterday. None of them have a significant history (except Solar system portal as described above) and should be deleted because they are a non–standard shortcut, are in a non–standard pseudo–namespace, and/or provide no advantage over the current convention. Also:
 * "All of these are unlikely search terms, not useful as shortcuts because they're not actually shorter, and cross-namespace redirects. &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  09:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)"


 * Addition of the Wikiportal:Poland selected anniversaries months which, since the nomination, I have discovered and moved, creating the redirect. mattbr 09:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete the lot. Consider setting up standard WP: shortcuts for those pages that are in active use and don't have them – Qxz 11:41, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all - the first two could easily be replaced with proper shortcuts; the rest are all at least as long as their targets, so they aren't shortcuts. Gavia immer (talk) 13:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all per above. We really don't need these. WjBscribe 18:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Aside from the above, on the ones with portal in the title, if a search is made using these terms, the first referent is the named redirect. So when a portal is sought, the searcher will find the portal.  Otherwise they are harmless and help those who don't think so categorically. --Bejnar 23:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Even though these are nonstandard, and may not seem useful, we must consider that we are trying to make the encyclopaedia easier to access for any.  Although wikipedians may not use these redirects, we have to consider how new users may navigate - especially if they've already been to the portal page once, but haven't learned about namespaces.  Locriani 06:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep as Locriani said. Also, such a mass nomination of this scale can't be decided by just a small group of people. There needs to be voices from the portal people too, to be fair. And I wonder if the creators and contributors of each of these portals have been notified? I was maintaining two of these portals and only accidentally ran into this nomination. Other portal maintainers probably wouldn't even have a slight idea that their redirects are going be deleted. I also don't unstand the logic behind. Are there really more benefits of deleting these instead of keeping them? From my experience, they are useful. Back then before there were redirects to the fish portal, I was watching my boyfriend trying to get to the fish portal, and he didn't have any clue how to do it. He didn't even know that all portals are in a different namespace. He kept typing "fish portal" and "portal fish" until I told him it's "portal:fish". And that was exactly why I put these redirects. Just because we are more experienced editors, it doesn't mean we can ignore other people. --Melanochromis 11:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong keep Completely agree with Locriani and Melanochromis. Such redirects are very useful for non-wikipedians, and are clearly regarded as such by a large number of wikipedians who have created the redirects (numerically superior to the few here who wish to delete them). No such deletions should be made unless agreed at WikiProject Portals. Gralo 12:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC) (maintainer of the Energy Portal)
 * Keep. Utility to general readers outweighs general principle about cross-namespace redirects in this case. CMummert · talk 02:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

User talk → Talk page
The result of the debate was delete. —Centrx→talk &bull; 18:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC) First, it is a cross-space redirect. Second, as it is the prefix of the "User talk:" namespace, it may cause confusion. Third, the redirect has no useful page history: all edits have been to change where the page is targeted or to inappropriately tag it for speedy deletion. Black Falcon 07:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Comment: At 04:00 18 March 2007, this page was "speedy deleted as a cross-namespace redirect" by User:1ne.  That is not a valid speedy-deletion criterion.  The out-of-process deletion was reverted and this discussion reopened.
 * Weak delete. Personally, I see no possibility of confusion here.  The redirect has been around since Jan 2005 and has a significant number of inbound links.  However, most of those uses seem to be user errors - people typing Foo when they mean User talk:Foo .  In this rare case, I think a redlink will help the users learn the correct grammar.  The redirect is unable to take users where they expected to go.  Rossami (talk) 15:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Elona → Articles for deletion/Elona Bojaxhi
The result of the debate was coverted to disambig. WjBscribe 02:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC) Looking at the history, this redirect results from a Bot trying to fix a double redirect. It definitely can't stay as is- XNRs to deletion discussions are a pretty bad idea. But it might be a useful redirect if retargeted elsewhere. Any thoughts on possible targets? WjBscribe 01:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Monastery of Elona Pavel Vozenilek 01:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Retarget if an appropriate target is found; delete otherwise. We shouldn't have redirects from article space to process. Gavia immer (talk) 13:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak disambig. If someone creates an article on the monastery, then it should probably be a redirect to that, but in the absence of such an article, I have made a disambig out of it. Neither blue entry is that significant so I wouldn't object to its deletion. -- JLaTondre 16:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm perfectly happy with that disambig page as a placeholder prior to the monastery article being created. Seems to cover what people might be looking for. WjBscribe 18:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Redirects to Wikiprojects from abbreviations
The result of the debate was delete. John Reaves (talk) 17:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * WPFF Talk → Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy
 * PLCOTW → Polish Wikipedians' notice board/PLCOTW
 * UKCOTW → UK Wikipedians' notice board/UKCOTW
 * IWNB → Irish Wikipedians' notice board
 * SCOWNB → Scottish Wikipedians' notice board
 * SWNB → Scottish Wikipedians' notice board
 * Comment. Withdraw and retarget to Southwestern National Bank (see ). WjBscribe 23:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * SWNB/ → Scottish Wikipedians' notice board
 * STOTW → Spanish Translation of the Week
 * BioCOTW → Biography Collaboration of the Week
 * GCOTW → Gaming Collaboration of the week
 * WPFF Style → WikiProject Final Fantasy/Manual of style
 * WPFF To do → WikiProject Final Fantasy/To do
 * WPFF Todo → WikiProject Final Fantasy/To do
 * WPFF CAL → WikiProject Final Fantasy/Calendar
 * WPCVG → WikiProject Computer and video games
 * WPCVG/New → WikiProject Computer and video games/New article announcements
 * ARTS/CAT → Wikipedia:WikiProject Arts/Categorization
 * WPFC → WikiProject Former countries
 * Comment: I have closed WPFC as a retarget to WPFC (AM). This is a clear case of article content have primacy over non-article uses. -- JLaTondre 23:35, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Another batch of redirects to Wikiprojects and related boards/collaborations from the mainspace. These are from a variety of abbreviations, some of which may well be used as search terms for encyclopedic contents. Given the availability of 'WP:' redirects like these are completely unnecessary XNRs. WjBscribe 01:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * NCSLC → WikiProject NCSLC
 * WPCAS → Wikipedia:WikiProject Castles
 * AIC Oasis → WikiProject Arab-Israeli conflict/Oasis
 * WP China → WikiProject China
 * WP Buffy → WikiProject Buffyverse
 * WP Buffyverse → WikiProject Buffyverse
 * Wikprobuff → WikiProject Buffyverse
 * Delete all per nom. mattbr 08:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all, any of these could be replaced by a WP: shortcut, and most targets have them already. Gavia immer (talk) 13:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong keep all. Highly useful. --MacRusgail 18:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. In particular I agree with the Scribe that some of these are plausible search terms for radio stations and such. YechielMan 20:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, use WP: shortcuts rather than arbitrary ETLAs.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  10:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)