Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 August 22

August 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 22, 2008

Oromo American → Ethiopian American
 The result of the debate was delete. WJBscribe (talk) 01:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC) Oromo Americans aren't just Ethiopian, they are also Kenyan, and are not notable enough to have their own article, so it should be deleted. Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 21:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Archive RfD nomination as it didn't have any body else for 5-7 days to discuss this. --frogger3140 (talk) 16:07, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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Shit boy → Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse
The result of the debate was G3, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC) Possible nonsense. David Pro (talk) 19:00, 22 August 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete as vandalism. Redirect was created by a now indef blocked user. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:19, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * G3 Vandalism. So tagged. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Shit bag → Ostomy pouching system
The result of the debate was no consensus. WJBscribe (talk) 01:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC) Unlikely search term. David Pro (talk) 18:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I find this a most likely search term by people who have no idea what a colostomy means. __meco (talk) 07:57, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per above, sorta. I don't think it's "most likely", but likely enough. No need to be squeamish just because of "the S word", per WP:CENSOR. —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;  ‹(-¿-)› 10:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete: WP:Profanity states that the use of profanity needs a good reason. More importantly, I agree with nomination that this is unlikely to be searched for. -Brougham96 (talk) 21:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unlikely search term for a medical appliance.  Term would be more commonly be used as a personal insult or to reference either a diaper or a bag of manure. --Allen3 talk 20:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Can you think of any "likely" search terms, or do you think people with only a vague knowledge of this will come up with the name Ostomy pouching system right away? __meco (talk) 17:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. Confusing per Allen3.  More likely to lead to an insult article of some kind.  —Wknight94 (talk) 14:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Yes, it's a probably target for insult abuse, however, so is "fuck face", a redirect which was recently kept in a comparable discussion. __meco (talk) 17:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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 * Keep A likely search term for a layman who doesn't know the proper name. Horselover Frost (talk) 23:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Alfred Gaertner → Festspiele Balver Höhle
The result of the debate was Withdrawn. Lenticel ( talk ) 23:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC) Not notable person redirect (to a not notable organisation IMHO) 3rd one. Sebastian scha. (talk) 16:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Nomination appears to be based on nominator's bias about notability of the target article. Nominate that instead. As it is currently considered notable, we cannot preclude that characters who are associated with it will not be looked up. Obviously a redirect that does no harm and could be useful. __meco (talk) 08:06, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm this person is not notable. The targetplace is not in question here, thats the reason for the "". Have you tried to google Alfred Gärtner ? Sure it's biased, notability is always biased. This is a RfD for Gärtner, why should an not notable Person redirect to an article. Sebastian scha. (talk) 14:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't require notability of redirect subjects. If the redirect may be useful to some users we usually keep it. __meco (talk) 14:15, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I understood the guideline in an other way. So it means: I'm living in Hamburg, Germany => conclusion => Add my name as a redirect and I'm mentioned in wikipedia. Is that your interpretation of it? Sebastian scha. (talk) 14:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it is not. I take it that these individuals have some significant relation with the article subject. If the nomination had asserted that the connection to the subject was spurious or insignificant I would probably have gone along with the nomination. __meco (talk) 09:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This is the point I don't get. So you want keep them because there is a possible relation to the target? I think if they should (or could) be significant enough to be searched in wiki they should have an own article. I don't think you are right, but I don't have th time and the energy (and the language) to discuss this all over, I'm getting frustrated with these unimportant (not notable and not verifiabil'?') kind of stuff here. Withdraw and remove from watchlist (please excuse, if the tone is rude, I'm not a native speaker) Sebastian scha. (talk) 10:34, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No offense taken. It's just that we don't have equally rigorous requirements, such as notability, for redirect pages. The main criteria, I believe, is that they should potentially be useful to some and do no harm. __meco (talk) 11:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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Alfred Gärtner → Festspiele Balver Höhle
The result of the debate was Withdrawn. Lenticel ( talk ) 23:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC) 

Not notable person redirect to a not notable organisation. 2nd one. Greetings Sebastian scha. (talk) 15:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Per above. __meco (talk) 08:06, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * comment see above Sebastian scha. (talk) 14:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

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 * Withdraw as above Sebastian scha. (talk) 10:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Werner Traud → Festspiele Balver Höhle
The result of the debate was Withdrawn. Lenticel ( talk ) 23:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Not notable person redirect to a not notable organisation IMHO. Greetings Sebastian scha. (talk) 15:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per above. __meco (talk) 08:06, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * comment see aboveSebastian scha. (talk) 14:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

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 * withdraw, as above Sebastian scha. (talk) 10:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

The Cure's thirteenth album → 4.13 Dream
The result of the debate was Withdrawn, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC) Deprecated: The page has been redirected to the newly announced album title at 4.13 Dream. All articles which wikilinked to this page have been changed to link to the new name. Tried to have this page speedy deleted R3 but was declined. JD554 (talk) 13:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep because it documents a pagemove that you just made. This page had significant history prior to the move.  These redirects are automatically created for several good reasons.  Other editors and readers who worked on the article at the old title need to know where it has been moved to so they can continue to make their contributions at the new destination.  When you delete all traces of the redirect, you give too many of those new users the false impression that the database hiccupped and accidentally deleted their hard work.  They end up either feeling bitten or they repost the content to the old title and we end up with a fork in the content.  Neither are good for the project.  Also, you've updated all the internal links to the page but redirects also catch all those external links that you don't and can't know about.  Redirects are cheap.  Unless the old pagetitle was actively harmful, there's no reason to delete them after a pagemove.  Rossami (talk) 14:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Rossami. additionally it is in any case their 13th album so it also makes sense. Sorry that I didn't elaborate further on declining the request. --Tikiwont (talk) 14:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Withdraw: All the above makes perfect sense. Next time I'll contact the decliner of the speedy for clarification to save my embarrassment. --JD554 (talk) 14:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

All quiet → All Quiet on the Western Front
The result of the debate was Keep. (non-admin closure) Mastrchf (t/c) 19:00, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

It's a very odd shortening of the book's proper title. I'm not sure if "All quiet" could describe anything else, but it doesn't really describe "All Quiet on the Western Front" either. 68.238.248.103 (talk) 01:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, implausible shortening of the book's name, no incoming links. nneonneo talk 01:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, if someone wants to use the page for another subject, they can always edit it. EVCM (talk) 17:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep despite the capitalisation problem - part of well-known book/movie title, and if there is a "more appropriate" article for either "All quiet" or "All Quiet", a new article can be written. Foreseeable search term. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per above.  Not confusing and seems like a plausible search term and even abbreviation.  —Wknight94 (talk) 14:25, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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Beef potato wheelman → Ctrl+Alt+Del
The result of the debate was Delete. —Wknight94 (talk) 14:23, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea how this even relates to the redirect subject, this seems to be Patent nonsense. Knowledgeum : Talk  08:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete -- seems to be about a alias of the webcomic.. Was present in the deleted List of Ctrl+Alt+Del characters, but is not in the main article Ctrl+Alt+Del. In any case it would just be the fictional occupation of a minor fictional character. --Tikiwont (talk) 14:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I did this. "Beef Potato Wheelman" is one of the minor character's occupation as listed in the bio, I included it asa redirect on the off-chance that somewhere on the internet someone made an in-joke about it.Gaiacarra (talk) 15:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete -- Wow, that's... obscure. I think the chances of anyone needing to look up "beef potato wheelman" are kind of slim. It's related to the article, I guess, but it's not very important at all.--Thrindel (talk) 17:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think people will look up anything that they come across and "beef potato wheelman" should be no exception. I think this redirect should be kept, but obviously, the article should have a mention of the character. __meco (talk) 08:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Why??? --frogger3140 (talk) 19:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not?Gaiacarra (talk) 09:00, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per CSD G1/G3 --frogger3140 (talk) 19:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Speedy delete and the grounds that you provide seem utterly inapplicable in this case. __meco (talk) 09:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Agreed. It isn't vandalism and it isn't nonsense. At best it could be deleted for being an extremely unlikely search term, but honestly, it's not like it takes up space for any OTHER valuable searches for beef potato wheelman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milskidasith (talk • contribs) 07:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

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 * Delete - even more obscure than Raymond Luxury Yacht. At least a few million people have heard of the latter (although it's pronounced "Throat Warbler Mangrove")! Aside from common "name", target has nothing to do with name of the redirect. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 00:19, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Per being obscure.  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:blue;">T alk /<sub style="color:blue;">C ont 12:00, 30 August 2008 (UTC)