Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 July 1

July 1
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 1, 2008

Voivodship_of_Podlasie → Podlaskie Voivodeship
The result of the debate was Keep. (non-admin closure) Mastrchf (t/c) 15:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC) Nothing links to this redirect. It is the only page for Poland that says Voivodship_of_xxxxxx for any province. Not to mention the fact that the province name isn't even spelled the official way. Please delete. Ajh1492 (talk) 23:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: My opinion below (and I believe Gavia's) was intended to apply to both these redirects. (This one does not have the inbound links that show up via whatlinkshere but it's been around a while and may have external links.  The "official spelling" argument is moot since one of the explicit purposes of a redirect is to support alternate or commonly mistaken spellings.  Rossami (talk) 14:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I presumed, but I was hoping that one of you would comment on this specific entry before I closed it, lest it appear to one that I closed one that hasn't been voted upon.

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

Podlasie Voivodeship → Podlaskie Voivodeship
The result of the debate was Keep. (non-admin closure) Mastrchf (t/c) 18:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC) The province name isn't even spelled the official way. Please delete. Ajh1492 (talk) 23:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * This redirect has a significant number of inbound links. That would seem to suggest that either this is a reasonably common alternate spelling or that it is a plausible typo.  Either way, keep.  Redirects are not an endorsement of the title but merely are an aid to our readers and editors.  Rossami (talk) 02:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep both. This is a reasonable one-letter typo in a foreign language term, and as Rossami says, it appears to be a somewhat common error. — Gavia immer (talk) 15:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Zaffaroni → Raúl Zaffaroni
The result of the debate was Converted to disambig. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC) Zaffaroni is a last name shared by more than one individuals featured on Wikipedia WikismithZ (talk) 03:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Create disambiguation page. In fact, I'm doing that now.  --UsaSatsui (talk) 03:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. --UsaSatsui (talk) 03:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Dapper → Ubuntu
The result of the debate was delete all. Seems like anyone searching on a single name would add "linux" or "ubuntu" to the search, and this could get very confusing as more releases come out.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Edgy → Ubuntu
 * Feisty → Ubuntu
 * Gutsy → Ubuntu
 * Warty → Ubuntu

Dapper, Edgy, Feisty. Gutsy. and Warty are absolutely senseless redirects. The Ubuntu releases are never referred to by the adjectives alone, but by the full proper names, Dapper Drake, Edgy Eft, etc. Having redirects for the full proper names Warty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog, etc. is sensible, but for the adjectives alone it is not. It has been argued, truthfully, that Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and that it is impractical or even impossible to have trans-wiki links for all dictionary words. However, the fact stands that these are still useless redirects. Someone searching for information about the Dapper Drake version of Ubuntu is going to search for "Dapper Drake", not just Dapper, and users searching for the adjectives alone are probably not looking for information about a Linux-based operating system (see this talk page entry). It has been argued that nothing else of note uses these adjectives. This being the case, the confusing redirects should be deleted altogether instead of misleading the end users.

Users who honestly search for adjective definitions in Wikipedia can quickly learn to use Wikitionary instead. —71.181.210.51 (talk) 18:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - They are sometimes referred to by these adjectives alone and you can see that with simple google searches like "edgy -eft" or "gutsy -gibbon". Soliloquial (talk) 18:45, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I retract some of my previous comments. I was indeed wrong to state that the versions are "never" referred to by the adjectives alone: they are, admittedly, rather frequently. But does every colloquial shortcut justify a redirect page here? I continue to maintain that someone searching Wikipedia for information on a specific Ubuntu release is going to type the full name, e.g. Gusty Gibbon, not just Gusty, in the knowledge that the shorthand way, being both colloquial and a generic adjective, will return a prohibitively low signal-to-noise ratio, as demonstrated by Soliloquial's Google searches as well as the other adjectives Hoary and Intrepid, which together disambiguate into twenty-one completely unrelated articles. This, however, is still not the main issue. The implied assertion that Ubuntu holds a monopoly or even a majority of use of these generic adjectives (which, as Google searches demonstrate, is false) is ridiculous.—71.181.210.51 (talk) 22:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Additional Comment - A new Ubuntu release is made every six months, each with a different, similarly styled name. If the precedent (which I insistently assert is meritless) were to continue, the list of redirects and disambiguation links would grow out of control. —71.181.210.51 (talk) 22:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all as far more likely to be confusing to readers than helpful. These are common word with significant meanings that go far beyond this narrow usage.  Note:  While none of these redirects have many inbound links, exactly zero were in a context that applied to the redirect target.  Rossami (talk) 22:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Retarget all to Ubuntu etc. and adorn section with either wiktionary or redirect. It is pretty implausible that anyone should expect any more than a dictionary definition. Pages like Warty might do better as a disambiguation page also linking to Wart. However, it seems clear from the discussion that somebody could look up one of these titles for information, and a red link is not the most helpful solution. BigBlueFish (talk) 18:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I still disagree with keeping the redirects, but your suggestion with Warty was a good one; I've retargeted it. —71.173.7.34 (talk) 22:16, 3 July 2008 (UTC) (same user as 71.181.210.51)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'