Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 July 31

July 31
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 31, 2008

Hyuga Hiashi → wikia:Naruto:Hiashi Hyuga
The result of the debate was delete all, 'all' referring to the 10 that where actually nominated and discussed here (only one editor explicitly mentioned the whole set). Keeping for a month or two looks unneeded postponement as most of them are soft redirects for already a few months. All, but Gekko Hayate, have no edit history at all, other than redirects. Anyway as we have not kept the content (minor characters article does not exist) I think there is no licencing issue. If I am wrong about Gekko Hayate and it was merged somewhere, within WP, please point it out to me and I'll fix that - Nabla (talk) 02:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)  Included in this nomination: These are soft redirects to Narutopedia, a Naruto wiki, a non Wikimedia project. There are many, many of these (a list is here), I'm nominating the first ten to establish consensus and not overwhelm RfD. Delete per Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 July 11. --Phirazo 17:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hyuga Hiashi → wikia:Naruto:Hiashi Hyuga
 * Hyuuga Hiashi → wikia:Naruto:Hiashi Hyuga
 * Hyuga Hizashi → wikia:Naruto:Hizashi Hyuga
 * Hyuuga Hizashi → wikia:Naruto:Hizashi Hyuga
 * Mitarashi Anko → wikia:Naruto:Anko Mitarashi
 * Morino Ibiki → wikia:Naruto:Ibiki Morino
 * Gekko Hayate → wikia:Naruto:Hayate Gekko
 * Gekkou Hayate → wikia:Naruto:Hayate Gekko
 * Yuura → wikia:Naruto:Yura
 * Nawaki → wikia:Naruto:Nawaki
 * Delete Redirects to a whole 'nother project. I believe that linking to another Wiki is generally not allowed. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!) 20:30, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean "redirecting to another Wiki", right? Because it's certainly allowed to link to other wikis. -- Ned Scott 09:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * These all appear to have older versions in history which redirected to existing Wikipedia articles (mostly List of minor Naruto characters from my spot-checks). Unless there is a reason not to that I don't see, revert to the internal redirects.  Failing that, delete because we ought not to be redirecting outside of the MediaWiki family of projects.  Rossami (talk) 22:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, List of Naruto characters has only main characters, so I'm not sure a redirect would make sense. List of minor Naruto characters is now behind a redirect to List of Naruto characters. A redirect to the top article, Naruto, might make sense.  --Phirazo 02:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I had not realized that the "list of minor characters" was now a redirect to the "list of main characters". Was any content merged to the new target article?  That is, do we have to keep it for GFDL compliance?  I can't find anything that was merged I haven't verified every edit.  If not, then I would not disagree with deletion.  Rossami (talk) 21:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep for one more month, then delete. The original target was merged to the main character list on June 9th. A little more time to help readers and editors find the content that was once there is no big deal, and helps us out in the long run. There's less hurt feelings, less attempts to re-create articles, and in some cases it stops retaliation vandalism. These links should never be a long term thing, but we shouldn't be acting like they're a bad idea. We've basically deleted this content, and there's going to be a lot of people wanting to know where it is. Allowing some form of explanation on that for a short while does not seem to be an unreasonable accommodation for our readers. -- Ned Scott 06:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep for two more months, then reevaluate. The main character is notable due to translation sites note able due to language issues. Thanks!  --Inetpup (talk) 15:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete or retarget to the character list. 70.51.11.219 (talk) 05:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Redirects aren't intended to link to other websites, even it it is a wiki. &mdash; Mizu onna sango15 Hello!  01:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Since when? Redirects are there to aid the reader, and that's what we're doing. It makes sense to at least allow this as a temporary measure, since it's likely to help us in the long run. -- Ned Scott 08:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete the lot of them. They have no viable targets on Wikipedia, and thus would be unhelpful as redirects. Simply rerouting them to a Naruto-related article, where there is no mention of the term, would only frustrate those looking it up. ~SnapperTo 03:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete We probably shouldn't redirect to something outside of Wikimedia; it may confuse someone to find a link to another site. Midorihana  みどりはな 09:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be fixed by using an alternative soft-redirect template. There would be no greater confusion than one would find with a normal EL link. -- Ned Scott 09:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The decision to endorse redirects (hard or soft) outside of the MediaWiki family of projects really needs to be proposed and decided outside of the narrow confines of an individual RfD nomination. May I suggest that you write this up either as a Centralized discussion or as a Village Pump proposal?  I would be happy to help.  Rossami (talk) 21:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - allowing redirects to other Wikia projects would take us down a very bad road. We allow soft redirects to Wiktionary to help people looking for dictionary definitions, but we don't need redirects like these; they could lead to off-wiki redirects being created for every fictional character who has a page on another wiki. That's clearly unhelpful, and frankly calls into question the very purpose of Wikipedia: it's not to link to other wikis, but to contain content itself. For those reasons, these should be deleted (or retargeted if there is an appropriate page on Wikipedia to redirect to). Terraxos (talk) 02:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Obviously we wouldn't want those links to be permeant, but when we do move an article, people are going to be looking for where it went. We should at least have some way of directing those people back to their work, which in some cases, they worked very hard on. I've used temp soft redirects to other wikis (and they're not just for Wikia, but any external wiki site) before, and it's greatly helped the situation. After a short while, the soft redirect is removed or deleted, and all is fine. -- Ned Scott 07:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

Barack OBama → Barack Obama
The result of the debate was Speedy Close. (non-admin closure) Mastrchf (t/c) 16:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete or Rename - this would be an unusual typo (OBama). So, I propose to undo/delete this; alternatively, it should rename to Barack O'Bama, a typo for a mistaken Irish surname, but still more likely than (OBama).  Thanks!  --Inetpup:o3   ⌈〒⌋▰⌈♎⌋ 16:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it shouldn't and if you continue to try to subvert my edits as part of your grudge war I'll report you to ANI. I'll ask that this be speedy closed as complete nonsense. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 16:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'