Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 June 18

June 18
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 18, 2008

Disgusta → Augusta, Georgia
The result of the debate was Soft redirect. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:43, 28 June 2008 (UTC) Derogatory, yet commonly used, nickname for the city of Augusta, GA. This is documented within the article, and cites reliable sources. A couple of years back, an editor (who no longer appears active) took offense to the existence of redirect. It was deleted, but several different users reinstated it. Finally, the editor deleted it and protected it against being reinstated. After a request was made on Requests_for_page_protection for the protection to be removed so that the redirect to be reinstated, a soft link was directed to Wiktionary, where an entry exists for "Disgusta." Discussion now taking place on the Disgusta talk page. Kevyn (talk) 18:17, 18 June 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * The mention in the article is trivial and the inbound links are all administrative. I'm not seeing a great deal of evidence here or in the Talk pages that this nickname is particularly significant.  It is documented, however, so it should probably be kept in one form or another.  Personally, I think the Wiktionary page is better written and more likely to answer the implied question of a reader following the link.  (The Wiktionary page also includes a link back to the Wikipedia page about the city.)  I recommend returning it to the soft-redirect.  But that part of the decision should really be made on the respective Talk pages, not here.  Rossami (talk) 19:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree that this should be settled on the Disgusta talk page. Kevyn (talk) 21:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The nomination was incomplete - tag has been applied to redirect on behalf of nominating editor. This nomination was started about a half hour after the creation of a soft redirect by User:PeterSymonds, who subsequently protected it, turned it into a "hard" redirect, and then unprotected it. PeterSymonds has the following as a hidden comment on the page in question: This was discussed, and meets the redirect guidelines. It may be a potentially offensive nickname, but it is discussed in the article, and therefore qualifies for redirection here. On that basis, I'd recommend to keep as a soft redirect. B.Wind (talk) 08:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't realise this was being discussed here. I was undecided about this, but per the reasoning on the talk page, I decided eventually to go with the redirect to Augusta, Georgia. Sketchy mentions on the page, but mentions no less, with the sources provided. At first I thought a soft redirect to Wiktionary would be more than appropriate, but with the mentions and sources in the article I decided against my original decision. Therefore I'm in favour of keeping the soft redirect per above. PeterSymonds (talk)  11:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

XFD → Deletion discussions
The result of the debate was Delete. Cena rium Talk  00:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC) Cross namespace redirect that most likely is not necessary (very few inbound links) and can be confusing. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nom. -- Mizu onna sango15 / 水 女 珊瑚15  06:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment without !vote - "XFD" is a generic abbreviation for Wikipedia deletion debates, with AfD, RfD, CfD, and MfD coming to mind. WP:XfD is a good redirect page for Deletion discussions, but I have no definitive opinion about the redirect being nominated here. B.Wind (talk) 08:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete-all shortcuts of Wikipedia start with WP: and then the shortcut, like WP:XFD, but XFD shouldn't be a redirect as WP:XFD is already in use.--  S R X -- Latino Heat  18:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Fuck His Ass, Make Him Humble → Iron Sheik
The result of the debate was Speedily deleted. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Probable redirect vandalism by listeners of Howard Stern. Term appears nowhere in the target article. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:17, 18 June 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Speedy delete - apparent test page/vandalism/attack page: the target is an article about a professional wrestler who at one time was WWF (World) Champion. Latter contribution history of originator of redirect is peppered with vandalism entries. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 21:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete G3 as per anon. Pure vandalism. -- Mizu onna sango15 / 水 女 珊瑚15  06:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete take your pick: CSD G1 (patent nonsense), G3 (vandalism), or G 10 (attack page). B.Wind (talk) 08:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete Tagged as R3, very implausible search term. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 15:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Developers Developers Developers → Steve Ballmer
The result of the debate was Delete all. Cena rium Talk  00:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC) This is a biased redirect, and perhaps it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. No one is going to search for "Developers Developers Developers" on Wikipedia if they want information about Steve Ballmer. (Also see: developers developers developers, Developers!, Developers! Developers! Developers!, and Developers! Developers! Developers... they all redirect to Steve Ballmer ?). OverLoader (talk) 12:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Cited redirects all refer to an incident in which (from the Ballmer article) a visibly sweat-drenched Ballmer chanting and shouting the word "developers" fourteen times in front of a gathering of Microsoft associates. Since this occurrence seemed to have happened just once, and all of the titles (same possibly Developers!) are most unlikely search items, delete all (weak delete "Developers!" as a confusing redirect that is just too close to developer to be worthwhile. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 21:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Developers! Developers, developers developers. Developers developers. Whoops, sorry, was speaking Ballmerese for a moment there. Delete all as unlikely search terms. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 15:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete-per nom and 10PH, those are redundant search terms.--  S R X -- Latino Heat  18:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete! Delete! Delete! per Overloader and IP. All are potentially confusing redirects. 01:17, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Jennifer Anastasakis → Jennifer Aniston
The result of the debate was delete. Wizardman 02:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

This is a close call, but a discussion about this is most definitely needed. The name of the redirect appears nowhere in the target article, but is widely disseminated in blogs and forums as purporting to be Aniston's birth name (it's not - her full name is Jennifer Joanna Aniston). B.Wind (talk) 08:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete since it's not her real name and therefore an unlikely search term. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 15:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per the fact that the redirect's title's surname looks nothing like the main article's title's surname. DA PIE EATER (talk) 23:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep If a lot of people think this is her name, but are simply mistaken, then they still might be looking for information under this name. -- Ned Scott 06:36, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * keep. It's her father's birth name, misspelled and anglicized. It's conceivable that someone could look for it. Kevyn (talk) 14:32, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - If Aniston is her real last name, and the one she is professionally known by, it is likely that that will be the search term. Any naming issues this redirect is supposed to address can be addressed briefly in the article, though this smacks of trivia. MSJapan (talk) 17:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - no reliable sources connecting "Jennifer Anastasakis" to Jennifer Joanna Aniston. Could this be a notable Internet meme? Until there is more on this angle, I'd recommend deletion as potentially confusing. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 01:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Eureastern → Middle East
The result of the debate was delete. Wizardman 02:24, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Neologism (or, as our Wiktionary would say, a protologism) that apparently is not used by a single reliable source, according to both a Yahoo search and a Google search. The term appears nowhere in the target article. A similar argument can be made for Eurafro → Afro-European, which I also include for consideration, although "Euro-Africans" appears in the lede of the Afro-European article. B.Wind (talk) 07:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete for Eureastern and Eurafro, although Euro-Africans garners 15k Google hits, therefore I believe should be considered notable.--Ramdrake (talk) 13:02, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless someone can show that this is actually a word in common use. Terraxos (talk) 21:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

White Caucasian American → White American
The result of the debate was delete. Wizardman 02:23, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Most highly unlikely to write all three words instead of "White American" (target article) or "Caucasian American" (another redirect to target). It is far more likely to write something shorter as a search item for a phrase than something longer. B.Wind (talk) 07:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, for reasons given. --Anonymaus (talk) 12:16, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. while its far more likely that either two word phrase would be used, there's still a possibility for the three word term to be used. 5:15 04:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. "White Caucasian" is somewhat redundant (or at least, overlapping in meaning), and while possible, is inaccurate. -- Mizu onna sango15 / 水 女 珊瑚15  06:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete-per Miz and nom.--  S R X -- Latino Heat  18:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep Not many people will use it, but somebody might. Where is the harm? Kauffner (talk) 13:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - implausible, as even most demographic surveys use either "White" or "Caucasian" for the same group, not both. MSJapan (talk) 17:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Steven Eramo → Mel Damski
The result of the debate was Delete. Lenticel ( talk ) 22:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Earlier version of target article had a one-sentence mention of Eramo having interviewed Damski, but there was no mention of anything that was actually said in the discussion; so the mention was removed as non-notable, and Eramo is no longer present in the target. B.Wind (talk) 07:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete - no point in keeping the redirect if there is no mention of the name in the target article, and there's no point in mentioning the name of a person who interviewed Damski without showing why that interview was noteworthy in the first place. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 21:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Old Russia → Kazakhstan
The result of the debate was Retarget to Russia (disambiguation). Lenticel ( talk ) 22:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

"Old Russia" appears nowhere in the target article. B.Wind (talk) 07:06, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nonsense redirect. Criterion G3 may also apply. -- Mizu onna sango15 / 水 女 珊瑚15  06:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Soviet Union because old Russia seems to be the USSR that gave most of its land to the current Russia. DA PIE EATER (talk) 23:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - I had originally thought of that option until I realized that Russia actually predates Soviet Union. So the redirect has more than one valid target, but I defer to those whose knowledge of Russian and Kazakh history are better than mine. B.Wind (talk) 03:29, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Retarget to Russia (disambiguation), which lists all the states that have gone by the name 'Russia'. This is a plausible search term, but there are too many possible meanings for it to have one obvious target (USSR? Russian Empire? Tsardom of Russia?), so redirecting to a disambiguation page is the most reasonable solution. Terraxos (talk) 21:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Terry Krueger → Pedro Lovell
The result of the debate was Delete. Lenticel ( talk ) 22:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Krueger is one of 14 men knocked out by Krueger in professional boxing matches. As Krueger had already established himself as a "knockout king" before he met Lovell, his name would be a most unlikely search term for Lovell (in fact, Kruger deserves a standalone article of his own), thus not a useful redirect here. With the same justification, I also offer Jose Manuel Ibar Urtain → Pedro Lovell as Urtain was another one of Lovell's knockout victims. B.Wind (talk) 06:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * While I would normally say that the redirect should stay in history and the page simply overwritten with content if/when someone decides to write it, in this case, I'm inclined to think that a redlink will be more likely to attract the article we want. I admit some bias in my opinion is probably based on the creator's edit history.  Rossami (talk) 13:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

List of all Wikipedia lists that do not contain themselves → Russell's paradox
The result of the debate was Delete Cena rium  Talk  00:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC) Very unlikely search term. Not even mentioned on Russell's paradox. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 03:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Comment you might be interested in reading this and this.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)Delete - this is about the third similar redirect that at one time or another was pointed to Russell's Paradox (see Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 April 17). It's time to have it join the other two in oblivion. The reasons for deletion have not changed in the past two months. B.Wind (talk) 05:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep This seems to be a reasonable redirect and I'm not seeing a reason to delete it. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Reasonable how? --UsaSatsui (talk) 15:35, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete this and any future redirect to this that mentions Wikipedia. The self-reference is unneeded and not useful. There are plenty of variations of the basic concept that redirect to Russell's Paradox without requiring a search on the term "Wikipedia". — Gavia immer (talk) 13:26, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The edit history implies that the VfD decision to delete was discussed and, to some degree, overturned. However, I can not find any evidence of such a discussion.  Speedy-delete as recreated content unless someone comes forward with evidence to justify the recreation.  Rossami (talk) 13:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. as very implausible search term.  Cute, though.  --UsaSatsui (talk) 15:35, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - clever redirect, but not a likely search term and therefore not useful. Terraxos (talk) 21:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Hussein Obama → Racism
The result of the debate was redirected to Barack Obama. Sceptre (talk) 16:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC) No one who searches for "Hussein Obama" would be looking for the racism article. There is no mention of the controversy over some media sources' emphasis on Barack Obama's middle name in the racism article. Any such discussion would belong in the Barack Obama article. So I recommend either deleting the redirect or sending it to Barack Obama 76.85.197.118 (talk) 06:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Redirect to Barack Obama. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Barack Obama. That's what I created the page for. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 12:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Prime Minster of Turkey → List of Prime Ministers of Turkey
The result of the debate was Retarget to Prime Minister of Turkey. Lenticel ( talk ) 23:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Title is just a typo and not something that is likely to be search for or linked to ascorbic (talk) 12:13, 18 June 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Redirect was formed by mistyping Prime Minister of Turkey and falling short one "i". Keep as a plausible typo of a title of an article that appears to have been created before the requirement that list articles have titles starting with "List of...". 147.70.242.40 (talk) 21:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: do we really want redirects for all possible typos? --ascorbic (talk) 07:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't preemptively create them but once they are created, it doesn't gain the project anything to delete them. See here for more.  Rossami (talk) 14:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Prime Minister of Turkey. That would make more sense. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 15:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)