Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 March 22

March 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 22, 2008

Underlying assumptions → Chafe
The result of the debate was speedy; nonsense.  Singu larity  08:48, 25 March 2008 (UTC) Unrelated, nonsensical. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Speedy nonsense redirect to a dab page. B.Wind (talk) 18:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Dancing with the Chafe, Chafing with the Stars → Dancing with the Stars (Australian TV series)
The result of the debate was delete both as nonsense.  Singu larity  08:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC) Nonsensical. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete both speedily. It's hard to assume good faith in light of these and the above redirect having been created by the same editor at about the same time, but assuming that they are not violations of WP:POINT would comply with that pillar of Wikipedia.B.Wind (talk) 18:26, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Fauxpan, Fapan → Japan
The result of the debate was speedy both as nonsense.  Singu larity  08:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC) Nonsensical. These aren't even non-notable neologisms. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Speedy. Two more from the same editor as above. How'd this editor fly so many under the radar for about a year? I urge an admin double-check the editor's output from about 22 April 2007. We've now found five redirects listed today that should not have been in Wikipedia in the first place. B.Wind (talk) 18:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy agreeing with above  Not hing 4 44  00:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

The Anti-Flame Barnstar → Template:The Anti-Flame Barnstar
The result of the debate was Deleted by User:Gb (db-author). -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC) This is a redirect out of main article space into the template space. (Reason #5 for deletion.) It was created today. Darkspots (talk) 17:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete it's obviously just a good faith mistake because of the author not knowing that those redirects should not be done --Enric Naval (talk) 17:53, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedily deleted at author's request. GBT/C 18:27, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

GEEK → User:Diligent Terrier/Nerd Cabal
The result of the debate was procedural close, the redirects had already been deleted per CSD R1 as the targets they pointed to were removed at a discussion on AN/I. Orderinchaos 05:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Used as a shortcut for some sort of joke page. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 17:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC) Also nominating: &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 17:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * TERRIER &rarr; User:Diligent Terrier/Terrier Cabal
 * NERD &rarr; User:Diligent Terrier/Nerd Cabal

Also:
 * SMILEY &rarr; User:Diligent Terrier/Smiley Cabal


 * Delete Twenty Years 17:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete These were all created in the last week. These redirects serve absolutely no value to the encyclopaedia - WP: is primarily for redirects to Wikipedia: space. Orderinchaos 17:37, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I really don't see any policy that prohibits these kind of redirects.  Orderinchaos had decided to speedy delete them under a section which only said that articles cannot redirect to userspace.  However, project pages can redirect to userspace, and I can give several examples if people would like me to.  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:52, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete WP: redirects should be reserved for "serious" pages, having a joke redirect that has a link similar to a policy/guideline/essay but isn't really one adds no value to the wikipedia --Enric Naval (talk) 17:56, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment OK, there is no policy that I can see that prohibits these type of redirects.  If the best reason people can give for deleting this is that it redirects to a joke page in a userspace (which is not even a policy), then that would mean lots of other redirects like WP:BEARDMUSTGO and WP:BEARDMUSTGO will have to be deleted also.  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 18:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Note the fallacy of "other stuff exists" as a keep argument. Orderinchaos 18:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)**Some would consider them to be a violation of WP:POINT. For the time being, Neutral (except for the first one, for which I see no usefulness compared to a possible WP:NERDCABAL; therefore delete first one). B.Wind (talk) 18:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's stick to the merits of these redirects. Up until recently, cross-namespace shortcuts were deletable under CSD:R2. It was an unintended consequence of making WP: an alias for the Wikipedia: namespace that they no longer fall under the literal wording of that criterion. That's why this isn't described by policy - because it was previously covered by CSD:R2, and there was no need to discuss it elsewhere. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 18:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Policy is what matters. If you feel it should be in the policy, then make a proposal.  There is no reason why a shortcut should be deleted if it does not violate a WP policy.  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 18:21, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you have a keen misunderstanding of how WP policy works. We don't make any attempt to precisely delineate acceptable content in policy documents. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 19:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Adenda to my vote are users really supossed to use the encyclopedia's main space for redirects to their pet pages on userspace? I don't think that this is what the policy intended to mean neither before nor after the changes to redirects --Enric Naval (talk) 15:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep and Delete Keep is for the WP:NERD and WP:TERRIER; Delete is for the others.  K im  u  19:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The user re-voted further down which means that this vote is over rided. - Diligent Terrier  and friends 14:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete not in project namespace  Not hing 4 44  00:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete as unused. Nothing links to them except their targets.  D a n si m a n  ( talk | Contribs ) 22:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I would like to again point out to the admins closing this discussion that there is no policy that bans these redirects. Until someone comes up with a good enough reason to delete these, they need to stay.  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete GEEK. The rest Keep. My reason: It's the nerd cabal no the geek cabal. The others are fine as they are, unless there is a better thing to redirect to. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 20:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - It is really funny how the only reasons people arguing delete are saying "not in the project namespace" (makes no sense since redirects can go from project to userspace), "redirects should be reserved for serious pages" (then why would WP:TROUT and WP:BEARDMUSTGO still exist), "nothing links to them except their targets" (I do not see how this has ANYTHING to do with redirects), or no argument at all. Obviously, people just do not understand the humor of these redirects, so they attack them. This does not seem like a judicious decision to me. — Parent5446 (t n c k e l) 20:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I see that the WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS fallacy is still in good health. --Enric Naval (talk) 22:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

The closing admin should be aware of canvassing by Basketball110: Maximillion Pegasus, Milk's Favorite Cookie ,  RC-0722 , Einsteinewton ,  Thisisborin9 ,     Parent5446 ,  Burner0718. Also, several people who have commented here are on the "waiting lists" for these cabals, asking to be "approved" by Diligent Terrier, and so have a conflict of interest in participating here. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 20:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, but that wasn't canvassing. Some users in the cabal use that link, and I was making them aware of it. Basketball 110  Go Longhorns! 20:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * If they use the link, they would be aware, since WP:GEEK leads to a deletion notice. In any case, the closing admin should be aware of the conflict of interest for users who are "members" of these pages. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 20:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The founder of the cabal thought it was a good idea. I agreed. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 20:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Keep I would like to point out that they aren't approved by the founder; they are approved by the members. Man, I picked a fine time gto go on a wikibreak.  K im  u  20:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You already voted. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 21:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I am never, taking a wikibreak again. They really mess with your mind.  K im  u  21:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * :) They do that. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 21:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Basketball110, RfD isn't a "vote," it's a discussion. That said, if someone posts more than one comment, they shouldn't put a bold summary at the beginning of subsequent entries, unless they are changing their stance and remove/strikeout the first.  D a n si m a n  ( talk | Contribs ) 22:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My mistake of words, but RC knew what I meant... he said "Keep" twice. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 22:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, just making sure. The other day somebody posted in about four debates complaining about "Don't vote on Wikipedia!" before I explained that while they may look like votes, they're really just positional summaries, and that most of us know it's not the number that matters, but the discussions behind them. So I guess it was my mistake too, in assuming you didn't know. Sorry!  D a n si m a n  ( talk | Contribs ) 23:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's okay. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 23:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't feel that these shortcuts are entirely necessary but i know that there are people would identify themselves as only one or the other and would be insulted to grouped as both. Perhps if a serperate geek cabal was set up then that would be different. Seddon69 (talk) 22:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete - every that has to be said in favor of this has been. Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 00:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep all but WP:GEEK, because it's not the Geek Cabal. Also, 'joke page?' I resent that... -- Einstei  N  ewton  01:44, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

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Random: The Album → Journey through the Secret Life of Plants
The result of the debate was Deleted. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC) No apparent connection between title of redirect and subject of target article; assuming good faith and not conclude that it is a violation of WP:POINT as this was by the same editor as the one who started first five redirects on today's listing B.Wind (talk) 18:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete I don't see anything in the target article about the word "random" being applied to it. JeremyMcCracken (talk)
 * Delete What's the connection between the redirect and the article?  I don't see one.  Red Phoenix  (Talk) 03:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

CBF: The Album → American Doll Posse
The result of the debate was Deleted. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC) Similar to above listing. No apparent connection between title of redirect and subject of target article. Highly unlikely to be used as a search term B.Wind (talk) 19:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete Same as above, there's nothing in the target article to indicate that "CBF" is used to refer to it. JeremyMcCracken (talk)

7Up and Brownies → Lemonade and Brownies
The result of the debate was Deleted. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC) Similar to above two listings. Search of redirect title turns up Wikipedia mirrors and places citing Wikipedia only. Highly unlikely to be used as a search term B.Wind (talk) 19:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Again as the above two, google doesn't seem to indicate that there is a pop culture reference of calling the album "7Up and Brownies". JeremyMcCracken (talk) 16:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'