Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 October 15

October 15
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 15, 2008

Rules to consier/Make only links relevant to the context debate → Wikipedia talk:Only make links that are relevant to the context
 The result of the debate was No consensus. It seems the community has yet to come to a definitive conclusion on which principle to follow here.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 05:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC) This redirect out of article space also appears to have one of the oldest typographical errors still existing in the project (from 2001!). Even if the spelling were correct, the title seems obsolete as it appears to be a subpage of Rules to consier (or even Rules to consider). 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. This is where the page originally existed before being moved.  The page was created here long before the creation of the Wikipedia space.  Pages this old, especially policy pages that were of interest to academics studying social software, are almost certainly externally linked.  Even if you successfully orphan this redirect, it will exist all through history and in those external places.  There is no good reason to delete it and several reasonable reasons to keep it.  Rossami (talk) 23:05, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I consider it highly unlikely that an external source would link to a misspelling like this and any attribution issues can be dealt with via hist merges.  MBisanz  talk 15:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * To clarify, external sources did (and presumably still do) link to pages like this. This is where the page existed before being moved.  A researcher wanting to point to the page might deplore the misspelling but this is where the link pointed at the time.  To your other point, please remember that history-merge only solves the attribution problem.  It does not fix all the internal references to the title which remain scattered throughout the pagehistories of the project.  Rossami (talk) 16:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Cross namespace redirect from a highly unlikely search term. As for the permanent maintenance of outmoded naming schemes to combat potential linkrot argument, the problem is better handled by solutions such as the Internet Archive Wayback Machine. --Allen3 talk 17:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and tag with . Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (talk) 22:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep for inbound links. JASpencer (talk) 14:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, useless cross-namespace redirect. Wizardman  02:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom., plus utterly misspelled. — The Man in Question   (sprec)  ·  (forðung)  07:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

List of insects → Category:Insects
The result of the debate was Keep. Tikiwont (talk) 13:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC) Cross-namespace redirect. Considering that (according to the article Insect, there are about one million described species of insects on our planet, clearly no "list of insects" article could stand on its own. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 19:48, 15 October 2008 (UTC) The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
 * Keep. It's harmless and it preempts the recreation of the pointless and unmaintainable "list of insects" that anonymous users seem to like to start.  Redirects like this are a way to subtly point new users toward the category feature - something they probably didn't know about before.  Rossami (talk) 23:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Hist merge will take care of the GFDL req. Categories are not lists and lists are not categories, if we have only one, we don't need to redirect to the other.  MBisanz  talk 15:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, in that people might well search for this, and the redirect prevents someone trying to create an actual 'list of insects'. Redirects to categories aren't always a good idea, but this one looks fine to me. Terraxos (talk) 22:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Terraxos (talk · contribs). Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (talk) 22:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep CNR for categories tend to be in a gray area. We generally disallow CNRs because other namespaces are normally not considered encyclopedic content. -- Ned Scott 04:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Bushel and Peck → Category:Units of volume
The result of the debate was Retarget to A Bushel and a Peck. Tikiwont (talk) 13:23, 24 October 2008 (UTC) Cross-namespace redirect created four years ago. While this looks like the name of a law firm, it appears that the redirect was targeted this way because of two potential redirect targets (bushel, peck). Needless to say, this is a redirect in search of a valid target, but none is evident. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 19:36, 15 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete Errant redirect.  MBisanz  talk 15:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Retarget to A Bushel and a Peck. JASpencer (talk) 10:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Retarget per JASpencer above - the best destination available. Terraxos (talk) 22:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Retarget per JASpencer (talk · contribs). Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (talk) 22:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a viable option to me. I have no objection to retargeting. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 20:08, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Lists of pieces → Category:Lists of musical works
The result of the debate was keep. Wizardman 21:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Four-year old redirect with a confusing title ("piece" has several meanings in various contexts) - could refer to music, art, or... perhaps something else). It redirects from mainspace to a category. Originally this was a list article with the same confusing out-of-context title, but the sea of redlinks is nothing worth reverting to. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 19:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC) The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
 * Keep to ensure compliance with the attribution requirements of GFDL. Looking at the history, the contents of this list were used in the creation of the category and/or the content of other articles.  As with the "list of" redirect above, it's harmless and quietly points new users to the category function.  Rossami (talk) 23:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Hist merge will take care of the GFDL req. Categories are not lists and lists are not categories, if we have only one, we don't need to redirect to the other.  MBisanz  talk 15:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe you can history-merge to a category. There's no actual page history to merge it with.  Rossami (talk) 16:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You can histmerge, there is the category description part of the page, so it would function like any other hist merge.  MBisanz  talk 04:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep As well as Rossami's arguments the fact that this is four year old address could have inbound links. JASpencer (talk) 10:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per JASpencer (talk · contribs) above. Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (talk) 22:41, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep  CNR for categories tend to be in a gray area. We generally disallow CNRs because other namespaces are normally not considered encyclopedic content. -- Ned Scott 04:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Because "piece" has numerous meanings in English (mostly not having anything to do with music), may I suggest a retargeting to Piece, a dab page, as an alternative? 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 20:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to piece. All the comments above seem valid to me. Because of the multiple meanings of the word "piece", simply restricting the redirect to one meaning of the word seems inappropriate (and aguably confusing to some, including this chess player who enjoys art while assembling pieces of jigsaw puzzles with my piece nearby). The retargeting will also preserve the history and eliminate the CNR. Now that I've given a piece of my mind... B.Wind (talk) 01:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipolicy → Five pillars
The result of the debate was delete. Wizardman 17:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Unlikely redirect, many wikis out there, our policies are not theirs.  MBisanz  talk 12:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. Per nom. Knippschild (talk) 06:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Longest article → Longest Wikipedia Article
The result of the debate was delete. Wizardman 01:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Navel-gazing cross-namespace redirect, unlikely to be content reader is searching for.  MBisanz  talk 12:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Soft redirect to Special:Longpages as current target is also a soft redirect to the same page. "Longest article" is an old redirect, and the special page does indeed present a list of long articles in order of decreasing size. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 18:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, this redirect appears to have been created in Feb 2008. (The previously deleted versions were all vandalism and properly deleted as such.)  I'm not seeing any history that needs preservation on this page.  Longest Wikipedia Article, on the other hand, does have good-faith history going back to 2005.  Rossami (talk) 23:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Macquarie Southern Cross Media Radio Stations → Template:MSCMRadio
The result of the debate was Speedy delete, creator permission.  MBisanz  talk 12:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Unlikely cross-namespace redirect, unlikely to be content reader is searching for.  MBisanz  talk 12:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Something I forgot to do after renaming/moved it to a template was to delete the original. Bidgee (talk) 12:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

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Table of all possible TLAs from AAA to DZZ → TLAs from AAA to DZZ
The result of the debate was delete. Cross-namespace redirects are discouraged by policy. Wizardman 01:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Improper cross-namespace redirect, unlikely to be content reader is searching for.  MBisanz  talk 12:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. My view is that the lists of TLAs should be in mainspace as a navigation tool.  At the very least they should be accessible from mainspace. --Rumping (talk) 17:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Tag team editors → Tag team
The result of the debate was delete. Wizardman 17:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Improper cross-namespace redirect, unlikely to be content reader is searching for.  MBisanz  talk 12:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete - recently created CNR, no history worth preserving. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 19:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Celipa → Category:Dragon Ball characters
The result of the discussion was Deleted with the exception of Kui. SkierRMH ( talk ) 06:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC) No article in the target category contains the name "Celipa"; otherwise I would have retargeted to such an article. Because of that, it's a confusing redirect and should be deleted. With similar justification, I also nominate:


 * Kui (dragonball) → Category:Dragon Ball characters
 * Cargo (Dragon Ball) → Category:Dragon Ball characters
 * Erasa (Dragon Ball) → Category:Dragon Ball characters
 * Jinzo'ningen → Category:Dragon Ball characters
 * Jinzō'ningen → Category:Dragon Ball characters
 * Ro Dai Kaioshin → Category:Dragon Ball characters
 * Rō_Dai_Kaiōshin → Category:Dragon Ball characters
 * Serippa → Category:Dragon Ball characters
 * Sharpener (Dragon Ball) → Category:Dragon Ball characters
 * Totepo → Category:Dragon Ball characters

B.Wind (talk) 05:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note without recommendation (for now) - some of the above did not have their rfd tags when I checked. All do now. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 19:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * While I don't think there is anything we can do for most of these redirects I do have a possibile suggestion for Kui (dragonball). Kui appears to be a mispelling of the character Cui and that character is listed on the character page. Also while I am unable to prove it from what I remember in the dub the C in Cui was prounced like a k as in the word cat. In short a retargeting to List of Dragon Ball characters may be the best option in this case as a plausiable typo. --76.69.171.206 (talk) 01:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete all, unless a justification or appropriate target can be provided for any of them. It's a bad idea in any case to have redirects to categories that refer to just one page in that category; they should just redirect to the page instead, if it exists, and if it doesn't, neither should they. Terraxos (talk) 22:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What about the suggestion for Kui listed above. --76.66.186.47 (talk) 03:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair point: that one can be redirected to List of Dragon Ball characters as suggested above. Terraxos (talk) 01:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems Kui has been retargeted and we have consensus on the rest. Closing admin, we're ready here! B.Wind (talk) 00:42, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'