Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 October 16

October 16
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 16, 2008

The result of the discussion was Keep all. I didn't realize these all documented page move histories. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 15:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Steve Smith (Canadian-born ice hockey player) → Steve Smith (ice hockey)


Is anyone really going to type this in? The only purpose this seems to serve is an example of how NOT to do an aticle name. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 14:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirects are cheap which is why they were never deleted when they were moved. And with the new auto populating in the search box they do become even more usefull. -Djsasso (talk) 14:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Steve Smith (ice hockey defenceman b. 1963 in Ontario) → Steve Smith (ice hockey)


Is anyone really going to type this in? The only purpose this seems to serve is an example of how NOT to do an aticle name. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 14:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirects are cheap which is why they were never deleted when they were moved. And with the new auto populating in the search box they do become even more usefull. -Djsasso (talk) 14:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Steve Smith (Philadelphia Flyers/Buffalo Sabres defenseman) → Steve Smith (ice hockey)


Is anyone really going to type this in? The only purpose this seems to serve is an example of how NOT to do an aticle name. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 14:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirects are cheap which is why they were never deleted when they were moved. And with the new auto populating in the search box they do become even more usefull. -Djsasso (talk) 14:43, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Steve Smith (British-born ice hockey player) → James Stephen Smith


Is anyone really going to type this in? The only purpose this seems to serve is an example of how NOT to do an aticle name. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 14:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirects are cheap which is why they were never deleted when they were moved. And with the new auto populating in the search box they do become even more usefull. -Djsasso (talk) 14:43, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Steve Smith (ice hockey defenceman b. 1963 in Scotland) → James Stephen Smith


Is anyone really going to type this in? The only purpose this seems to serve is an example of how NOT to do an aticle name. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 14:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirects are cheap which is why they were never deleted when they were moved. And with the new auto populating in the search box they do become even more usefull. -Djsasso (talk) 14:43, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Steve Smith (Edmonton Oilers, Chicago Blackhawks) → James Stephen Smith


Is anyone really going to type this in? The only purpose this seems to serve is an example of how NOT to do an aticle name. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 14:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirects are cheap which is why they were never deleted when they were moved. And with the new auto populating in the search box they do become even more usefull. -Djsasso (talk) 14:43, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep this and the related redirects above. They all document page moves.  I'll admit they're all ugly, though. --UsaSatsui (talk) 15:05, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Munter (Outrageous Fortune) → List of characters in Outrageous Fortune
The result of the debate was keep. Wizardman 02:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC) 

Orphan. Target is now also redirected. McWomble (talk) 13:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep as retargeted - "Munter" appears no fewer than 13 times in new target. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 20:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per IP above. I can't see why it should be deleted in this case. B.Wind (talk) 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Outrageous Fortune/Van West → List of characters in Outrageous Fortune


The result of the debate was Delete after history merge to original target.Tikiwont (talk) 08:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Orphan referenced only in AfDs. Target is now also redirected. McWomble (talk) 13:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Interesting. Redirect has significant history covering its year in existence, but name is defective as indicating a subpage. Merge history to original target, then delete. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 20:19, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep as an old article like this could have inbound links from outside Wikipedia. JASpencer (talk) 08:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete one-year-old article with obsolete name after a history merge to Van West, a redirect to the same target. There is significant history (duplicated in the other Outrageous Fortune redirects below); a histmerge should take care of GFDL issues. B.Wind (talk) 00:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Outrageous Fortune/Jethro West → List of characters in Outrageous Fortune


The result of the debate was Delete after history merge to original target.Tikiwont (talk) 08:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Orphan referenced only in AfDs. Target is now also redirected. McWomble (talk) 13:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Interesting. Redirect has significant history covering its year in existence, but name is defective as indicating a subpage. Merge history to original target, then delete. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 20:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep as an old article like this could have inbound links from outside Wikipedia. JASpencer (talk) 08:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete one-year-old article with obsolete name after a history merge to Jethro West, a redirect to the same target. There is significant history (duplicated in the other Outrageous Fortune redirects); a histmerge should take care of GFDL issues. B.Wind (talk) 00:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Outrageous Fortune/Ted West → List of characters in Outrageous Fortune


The result of the debate was Delete after history merge to original target.Tikiwont (talk) 08:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Orphan referenced only in AfDs. Target is now also redirected. McWomble (talk) 13:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Interesting. Redirect has significant history covering its year in existence, but name is defective as indicating a subpage. Merge history to original target, then delete. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 20:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete one-year-old article with obsolete name after a history merge to Ted West, a redirect to the same target. There is significant history (duplicated in the other Outrageous Fortune redirects); a histmerge should take care of GFDL issues. B.Wind (talk) 00:54, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Outrageous Fortune/Pascalle West → List of characters in Outrageous Fortune


<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the debate was Delete after history merge to original target.Tikiwont (talk) 08:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Orphan referenced only in AfDs. Target is now also redirected. McWomble (talk) 13:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Interesting. Redirect has significant history covering its year in existence, but name is defective as indicating a subpage. Merge history to original target, then delete. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 20:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep as an old article like this could have inbound links from outside Wikipedia. JASpencer (talk) 08:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete one-year-old article with obsolete name after a history merge to Pascalle West, a redirect to the same target. There is significant history (duplicated in the other Outrageous Fortune redirects); a histmerge should take care of GFDL issues. B.Wind (talk) 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Outrageous Fortune/Wolfgang West → List of characters in Outrageous Fortune
<span id="Outrageous Fortune/Wolfgang West">

<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the debate was Delete after history merge to original target.Tikiwont (talk) 08:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Orphan referenced only in AfDs. Target is now also redirected. McWomble (talk) 13:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Interesting. Redirect has significant history covering its year in existence, but name is defective as indicating a subpage. Merge history to original target, then delete. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 20:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep as an old article like this could have inbound links from outside Wikipedia. JASpencer (talk) 08:38, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete one-year-old article with obsolete name after a history merge to Wolfgang West, a newly-created redirect to the same target. There is significant history (duplicated in the other Outrageous Fortune redirects); a histmerge should take care of GFDL issues. B.Wind (talk) 01:02, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Outrageous Fortune/Jared Mason → List of characters in Outrageous Fortune
<span id="Outrageous Fortune/Jared Mason">

<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the debate was Delete after history merge to original target.Tikiwont (talk) 08:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Orphan referenced only in AfDs. Target is now also redirected. McWomble (talk) 13:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Interesting. Redirect has significant history covering its year in existence, but name is defective as indicating a subpage. Merge history to original target, then delete. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 20:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep as an old article like this could have inbound links from outside Wikipedia. JASpencer (talk) 08:38, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete one-year-old article with obsolete name after a history merge to Jared Mason, a redirect to the same target. There is significant history (duplicated in the other Outrageous Fortune redirects above); a histmerge should take care of GFDL issues. B.Wind (talk) 01:04, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Unit Core God Country → United States Marine Corps
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the debate was Delete.Tikiwont (talk) 09:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC) Originally created as a one-line stub reading "The order of command in the United States Marine Corps." Later redirected to current target. "Unit, Corps, God, Country" appears to originate from the film A Few Good Men as a fictional variant of the actual slogan "God, Country, Corps". Also, "corps" is misspelled as "core". Mike R (talk) 11:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. If it was spelled correctly, this might be an acceptable redirect to A Few Good Men... but as it is, I can't imagine it ever being useful. Terraxos (talk) 00:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per nom Knippschild (talk) 05:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Ancient Near East WikiProject → WikiProject Ancient Near East
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the debate was Delete. Glass  Cobra  10:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC) Improper cross-namespace redirect, redirected material not encyclopedic content.  MBisanz  talk 02:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nom. --Tikiwont (talk) 09:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

AHD system → English Phonemic Representation
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the debate was Keep.--Aervanath lives in <b style="color:green;">the Orphanage</b> 05:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Improper cross-namespace redirect, redirected material not encyclopedic content.  MBisanz  talk 02:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. Originally "English Phonemic Representation" (enPR) was an actual article on Wikipedia. It was moved because the term was coined on Wiktionary, and therefore was not particularly encyclopedic. However, the system of enPR is identical to that of the AHD system (the system of English phonemic representation utilized by the American Heritage Dictionary and many other English lexicons), which could, on its own, merit an article. In the event that no AHD system article is made, however, "AHD system" serves as a simple short cut (similar to the useful "otheruses" to the much longer "Template messages/General") to "English Phonemic Representation". Any browser of Wikipedia wishing to view the AHD system will find what they are seeking at the enPR page. — The Man in Question (gesprec)  ·  (forðung)  03:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If I understand correctly, then this really ought to point at Wiktionary with an interwiki redirect, no?  MBisanz  talk 15:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't believe so. If I'm sorting this history out correctly, "English Phonemic Representation" is the neologism.  American Heritage System's use of the system (with no name that I can find) predated the neologism.  So while the system might be encyclopedia-worthy, no one has yet figured out what the correct title should have been.  In the meantime, the Wikipedia page is not bound by the rules against neologisms so that page has some value to the project.  Wiktionary's adoption of the AHD notation system seems to be a sideline issue, irrelevant either to the naming question or the value of the redirect.  Rossami (talk) 20:48, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep with reservations. I don't like the idea of the target article being hosted off main space but the history of this points to a legitmate use of a cross space redirect. JASpencer (talk) 08:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Banned users → Wikipedia:List of banned users
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the debate was Re-targeted to Ban (law). -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Improper cross-namespace redirect, redirected material not encyclopedic content.  MBisanz  talk 02:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ban (law) or Block (internet). --UsaSatsui (talk) 15:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Neither of these articles refrerences to the banned users policy or list. The most likely use for this redirect would be for banned users.  I'd plump for a retarget to a mainspace article if banned users was mentioned there. JASpencer (talk) 08:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * They shouldn't. We should Avoid self-references if at all possible.  Ban_(law), however, does talk about "banned users" in a general context (and there is a hatnote linking the banning policy)  --UsaSatsui (talk) 13:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Ban (law). Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (talk) 21:58, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Retarget per UsaSatsui and Tohd8. It's the best of both words. B.Wind (talk) 02:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The section suggested as a destination above has now been removed as original research, so I say delete this instead - there's nowhere useful now for it to point to. Terraxos (talk) 12:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Block (internet) is still a valid target. --UsaSatsui (talk) 18:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion. If Banned users is retargeted, Banned user should be pointed in the same direction. B.Wind (talk) 01:07, 26 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

2 letter abbreviation → List of two-letter combinations
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the debate was Re-targeted to Abbreviation. In article space, article content has primacy. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Improper cross-namespace redirect, redirected material not encyclopedic content.  MBisanz  talk 02:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Adding this related redirect: Two letter abbreviation → List of two-letter combinations --UsaSatsui (talk) 15:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. Another example of a redirect leftover from the pagemove of a page created before the separate namespaces existed.  No reasonable possibility that any reader will be looking for anything other than the Wikipedia list page.  No obvious harm to keeping this page.  Rossami (talk) 02:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I would think a postal abbreviation article like List of U. S. postal abbreviations would be a ebtter redirect than our own internal matrix. Couldn't we just do a modern histmerge and delete it pending someone writing a postal article?  MBisanz  talk 03:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and disambiguate. I don't believe that this is a search term that only someone looking for Wikipedia-related info would be looking for.  This page would be better off with a list of common 2-letter abbreviations, like postal codes and the like.  And I added a similar redirect for discussion as well. --UsaSatsui (talk) 15:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep but redirect to Acronym. Reyk  <sub style="color:blue;">YO!  04:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * An abbreviation is not the same as an acronym. --UsaSatsui (talk) 21:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC)