Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 October 4

October 4
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 4, 2008

Albany Firebirds → Indiana Firebirds
The result of the discussion was redirect replaced with article (non-admin close) -Brougham96 (talk) 04:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC) The name Albany Firebirds has been shifted to the af2 team Albany Conquest. The Conquest article needs to be moved to the Albany Firebirds namespace. WeatherManNX01 (talk) 23:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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 * Delete redirect. This whole proposal is uncontroversial, because we have the website up www.albanyfirebirds.com.  Just waiting for an admin to come over and make it official. Tom Danson (talk) 18:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Uosdwis R. Dewoh → Homer Simpson
The result of the debate was Delete. Tikiwont (talk) 08:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC) Implausible search term. David Pro (talk) 20:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC) David Pro (talk) 20:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, police chief wiggum did confuse Homer with this name, why not others? Bambinn (talk) 20:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Chief Wiggum is not entering searches on Wikipedia. Delete.  --UsaSatsui (talk) 16:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And he didn't really confuse Homer with this name, he just read a tomb stone upside down.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 06:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete the relevant episode here is Mother Simpson, but not every nickname Homer ever went by needs a redirect. JuJube (talk) 09:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Unlikely search term  C T J F 8 3 Talk 06:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Academie (talk) 18:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Game Center CX: Arino's Challenge → Talk:Retro Game Challenge
The result of the debate was Kept. It's standard practice to have talk pages of redirects to redirect as well. -- JLaTondre (talk) 02:38, 14 October 2008 (UTC) Unnecessary talk page redirect. jj984jj 15:52, 4 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. Documents the page move.  No real reason to delete.  --UsaSatsui (talk) 16:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

St. John's Lodge, (New York) → George Washington Inaugural Bible
 The result of the debate was Deleted. High unlikely typo or search term. St. John's Lodge (New York) is what people would use and that exists. -- JLaTondre (talk) 02:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC) Inappropriate redirect. Target article is about a notable bible That this bible is owned by the the subject of the redirect is mentioned only in passing in the target article. The redirect was created as a last ditch attempt to save an impropper dab page from deletion. Blueboar (talk) 13:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Created as a redirect because they own that particular book. This entry was already listed on the dab page in question before deletion was proposed so the idea that it would somehow influence the argument is a misconception.  Indeed, the original entry for the page that would later become a disambig page was a redirect to to the Bible (I later changed this because there where other entries and so I thought a disambiguation page was more in order).  JASpencer (talk) 14:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * keep Is a logical place to redirect since someone might be looking for info about the book. Moreover, since the article actually mentions the lodge there's no compelling reason not to have a redirect. JoshuaZ (talk) 00:41, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete improperly named redirect. Had it been St. John's Lodge (New York), or (shakily so) St. John's Lodge, New York, I would have urged a "keep" (although the latter appears to be inconsistent with Wikipedia disambiguation policies and guidelines). Nominated redirect is some hodgepodge between the two disambiguation methods, and having both the comma and the parentheses stretches the boundary of plausible search terms. Delete as confusing as to disambiguation. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 18:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough on the hodgepodge of styles. I've created a redirect on the suggested style and replaced it in the article in which it appears. Not sure if it's the end of the world if it stays, but certainly not the end of the world if it goes. JASpencer (talk) 21:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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MOS:IDENTITY → Manual of Style
The result of the debate was Keep, noting that "MOS:" redirects  are currently among the Pseudo-namespace redirects explicitly exempted in Cross-namespace redirects. Tikiwont (talk) 09:07, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Cross-namespace redirect, should be from WP:MOSIDENTITY. -- how do you turn this on  11:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. There are several "MOS" redirects that point to the Manual of Style.  They're probably there for a good reason, and not really cross-namespace.  Talking about deleting them all probably deserves a wider discussion.  --UsaSatsui (talk) 16:53, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - actually shown as a shortcut (similar to MOS:DAB) at target. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 18:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think the manual of style articles are an exception --Sumthingweird (talk) 05:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

The Castle Jeweler → White Castle Building No. 8
The result of the debate was Keep. Tikiwont (talk) 08:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC) Nothing in the target article mentions this other name. So the redirect target has nothing about the subject. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, while it could be more explicit in the writing, the article does mention (in the first paragraph) that the former White Castle building houses a jewelry shop. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 18:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Ooh... a local one. I live near that building. Anyways, as stated above the jewler is the cuurent occupant of the building (per article). Besides that, redirects are cheap. -Brougham96 (talk) 04:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment For verifibility, you can see the "Castle Jewler" sign in the enlarged image from the infobox. -Brougham96 (talk) 04:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

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Bayer designations
The result of the debate was Delete all.Tikiwont (talk) 08:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A Apodis → Alpha Apodis
 * A Ursae Minoris → Polaris (= Alpha Ursae Minoris)
 * A UMi → Polaris (= Alpha Ursae Minoris)
 * A Pictoris → Alpha Pictoris
 * B Comae Berenices → Beta Comae Berenices
 * B Cassiopeiae → Beta Cassiopeiae
 * B Lyrae → Beta Lyrae
 * D Cassiopeiae → Delta Cassiopeiae
 * D Doradus → Delta Doradus
 * D Octantis → Delta Octantis
 * D Pegasi → Alpha Andromedae (= Delta Pegasi)
 * D Peg → Alpha Andromedae (= Delta Pegasi)
 * G Cassiopeiae → Gamma Cassiopeiae
 * I Cassiopeiae → Iota Cassiopeiae
 * K Cassiopeiae → Kappa Cassiopeiae
 * L Cassiopeiae → Lambda Cassiopeiae
 * N Cassiopeiae → Nu Cassiopeiae

These redirects are all from a Bayer designation of a star with a Roman letter to the corresponding Bayer designation with a Greek letter (a → α, b → β, etc.) Unfortunately, Greek and Roman letters are not interchangeable inside Bayer designations. In the list above, although the Greek-lettered designations specify stars, the Roman-lettered designations do not&mdash;they are meaningless. These redirects should therefore be deleted. See Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 September 16 for previous discussion on similar redirects. Spacepotato (talk) 01:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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 * Delete these are factually wrong and misleading. 70.51.8.75 (talk) 05:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. Icalanise (talk) 11:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as per 70.51.8.75 -- how do you turn this on  11:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all as confusing redirects. 147.70.242.40 (talk), temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 21:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Incredible useless.Academie (talk) 18:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

M Arae → Mu Arae
The result of the debate was Delete. Tikiwont (talk) 08:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC) Another bad Bayer designation Roman→Greek redirect, see Spacepotato's rationale for the group of redirects above Icalanise (talk) 15:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete for the same reason as A Apodis → Alpha Apodis et al. above. Spacepotato (talk) 08:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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 * Delete per arguments present for the mass nom. 70.51.8.75 (talk) 05:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)