Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 September 18

September 18
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 18, 2008

Template:M&W → Template:Morecambe and Wise
The result of the debate was G7, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 05:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC) 

Faulty name for a template I created. Are redirects speediable per author request? Otto4711 (talk) 21:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Pretty sure it is, and so tagged. Pie is good   (Apple is the best)  22:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

James nicholls → Turtle
The result of the debate was speedy delete per WP:CSD G3. Non-admin closure. Pie is good  (Apple is the best)  23:10, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism redirect Geronimo20 (talk) 20:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Speedy delete Looks like a personal attack.  Ka renjc 20:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:CSD and so tagged. Pie is good   (Apple is the best)  22:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Navy of Belarus → Armed Forces of Belarus
The result of the debate was Keep. Tikiwont (talk) 09:11, 23 September 2008 (UTC) Is anyone actually going to search for the "navy" of a landlocked country? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 16:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep per below. And yes, landlocked countries can have a navy. --UsaSatsui (talk) 19:53, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - see Navies of landlocked countries. The Transhumanist 22:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Navy of Sudan below. Someone looking for the navies of all the countries of the world, or for all the navies on a particular continent might look these up.  And rather than getting a blank (which is ambiguous - is there no navy, or have we just not covered it yet?), the reader might find information that a particular country doesn't have a navy (and mention that it's landlocked) helpful.  In the lead to Armed Forces of Belarus (where the redirect Navy of Belarus leads to), it explains that Belarus has no navy, which is highly relevant to anyone trying to look up its navy.  The Transhumanist  22:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Austria is a landlocked country, but it wasn't always, it had a navy. The navy ran river operations on the Mississippi during the Civil War, so navies don't need to operate at sea. Vermont was a landlocked "country" and it had naval forces on Lake Champlain during the Revolution. Bolivia is a landlocked country and it still has a navy. 70.51.8.158 (talk) 05:07, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Merchant Marine of Switzerland (a.k.a. "Swiss Navy"). Sometimes the "navy" is actually part of the country's army (see Military of Switzerland). 147.70.242.40 (talk) 19:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Navy of Sudan → Military of Sudan
The result of the debate was Withdrawn. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:21, 20 September 2008 (UTC) Originally an article about a non existent navy in a landlocked country, I redirected it to Military of Sudan. I feel stupid.

Also nominating these... Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Navy_of_Andorra
 * Navy_of_Armenia
 * Navy_of_Austria
 * Navy_of_Afghanistan

The Transhumanist 00:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - these are good redirects. Sudan appears to have a navy (see below).  Anyone looking up the navies on the others needs to be informed that they don't have any navies.  And the redirects lead to the relevant information on Wikipedia:
 * Navy of Sudan - leads to Military of Sudan which states it has a navy. Google searching seems to confirm this.
 * Navy_of_Andorra - leads to an explanation that the country has no defense forces.
 * Navy_of_Armenia - leads to Military of Armenia which explains in the lead that the country has no navy.
 * Navy_of_Austria - ditto.
 * Navy_of_Afghanistan - ditto.

Nomination withdrawn

 * Sometimes doing new page patrol, I ask for advice on IRC about how to handle an article. What I first saw was several new pages about something that "didn't exist" so I asked for advice. First it was "redirect" which I did, then we all felt silly about making "navy of" redirects to landlocked countries that didn't have navys. Since the first redirect and primary target of this nom has a navy, I'll withdraw the nom, as far as the rest go, I can't guarantee someone else won't nominate them. One thing you might consider doing is updating Navies of landlocked countries with information about Sudan's navy. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. Landlocked countries occasionally do have navies, and even still, it's a valid redirect for people who may be looking for general armed forces info.  --UsaSatsui (talk) 19:53, 18 September 2008 (UTC)