Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 August 3

August 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 3, 2009

Bart Simpson (South Park)
The result of the discussion was delete. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 16:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC) Not featured on the page and it's unlikely that anyone would use this Cheeseman Muncher (talk) 15:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * → List of supporting characters on South Park (links to redirect)
 * Delete He had a minor role in a two-part episode, really only serving to flesh out Cartman's distaste against Family Guy. He also appeared in an earlier episode, and mattered even less.  This is an extremely unlikely search term, and most definitely fails WP:N.  Not mentioned in the target, can only confuse. ~ Amory  (user • talk • contribs) 17:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:N as a standalone article and the parenthesis make for an unlikely search term. young american  (wtf?) 17:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. KMFDM FAN (talk!) 22:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Toweleeele
The result of the discussion was delete. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 16:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC) Another idiotic typo. Probably unused. Cheeseman Muncher (talk) 14:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * → List of supporting characters on South Park (links to redirect)
 * Delete No earthly way anyone will ever use it. ~ Amory  (user • talk • contribs) 17:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unlikely search term. young american  (wtf?) 17:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Implausible typo. Jafeluv (talk) 14:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Implausible typo, not a beneficial redirect. --Taelus (talk) 23:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Toweleeeie
The result of the discussion was delete. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 16:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC) Idiotic typo. This isn't really needed. Cheeseman Muncher (talk) 14:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * → List of supporting characters on South Park (links to redirect)
 * Delete No way anyone will ever use it. ~ Amory  (user • talk • contribs) 17:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unlikely search term. young <font color="#321414">american  (wtf?) 17:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Implausible typo. Jafeluv (talk) 14:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Implausible typo, not a beneficial redirect. --Taelus (talk) 23:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Gobbles
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was retarget to the disambiguation page Gobble and add a mention of the South Park episode there. There's clearly no consensus to delete this redirect, but there's also no support at all for leaving the redirect as it is - this outcome seems the best compromise between the options. ~ mazca  talk 17:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC) No longer featured on the page - Unused Cheeseman Muncher (talk) 14:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * → List of supporting characters on South Park (links to redirect)
 * Redirect to Helen Keller! The Musical, the episode that features Gobbles. The fictional turkey in question is mentioned in that article. <font color="#CC5500">young <font color="#321414">american  (wtf?) 17:36, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect as above, it's the most useful result. ~ <font color="#FF0099">Amory <font color="#555555"> (user • talk • contribs) 17:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, word has other meaning, you know... Abductive  (reasoning) 03:39, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Gobble and add "Gobbles, a turkey that appeared on Helen Keller! The Musical" to the list. Or delete, it sounds pretty silly to have a minor character appear on a disambiguation list... <font face="Helvetica"> [  mad   pierrot  ]  20:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Kamen Ryuki
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was keep - The redirect's creator has indeed created a wide variety of deeply implausible redirects. However, consensus here seems to be that, whether by luck or judgment, this particular redirect is plausible and harmless. ~ mazca  talk 17:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I have never come across this name for the show until the redirect was made by Tyciol (who has made hundreds of other questionable redirects) and until Moonriddengirl showed me that the combination is barely used. This is less than 1% of the hits on the full name, and while it does appear to be used, I doubt that anyone is not going to encounter the proper article by typing in "Kamen R" into the side bar, nor forget that the word "Rider" is in the name. The listing of the page on Ryuki should be enough, as more people refer to the series as Ryuki than without the word "Rider" in the name. I therefore believe that this redirect should be deleted.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 11:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * → Kamen Rider Ryuki (links to redirect)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. It may be a infrequently used term, but it is still a used term. Remember that external sites could be linking to the article via this redirect, and thus the fact that the article appears in the sidebar search feature will not apply to them. It is a harmless redirect, and deleting it could cause harm to external links, thus it should be kept. --Taelus (talk) 23:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No external websites are linking to the article through the redirect. It was only just made two days ago. I can assure you that it is the most obscure abbreviation for the show's name and should have been deleted as an implausible term. I'm not sure why people in the past have omitted the word "Rider" from the full series name, but it was never a factor on the English Wikipedia until Tyciol, who has made many other questionable and unhelpful redirects made this one and my requests to have it deleted per WP:CSD were turned down.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 00:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Whilst I understand that this redirect was created by a users known for creating many problematic redirects, I still believe that we should assess each one by their merits. This one does not seem too harmful to me, and is a plausible, if very uncommon, search term. --Taelus (talk) 07:22, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The term is only a plausable search term when order does not matter. Typing "Kamen Ryuki" (without quotation marks) into Google will result in plenty of search results. So will "Ryuki Kamen". But the specific order of "Kamen Ryuki" as an exact phrase is so rare online that I can only find five exact matches that aren't mirrors of Wikipedia content or spam websites. The only place this link is on Wikipedia now is in regards to the fact that this redirect was made by a problematic user. The only individual who would omit random words for a redirect is this user, who made Elton Hercules as a redirect to Elton John because his middle name is "Hercules". While it's all fine and dandy to say that we should weigh the merits of the use of the redirect, the fact still stands that Tyciol made horrible redirects, almost all of which have been deleted.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 07:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. "Kamen Ryuki" is unheard of nickname for the series; most people who are likely to abbreviate it will just use "Ryuki". In addition, the franchise as a whole is typically abbreviated "Rider", not "Kamen" (this is not to be construed as support for a redirect called "Rider Ryuki", which is just as unheard-of as "Kamen Ryuki"). jgp  T  C  00:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment It's not unheard of. While I don't have any opinion as to whether or not this redirect is necessary and should be kept, I managed to find people referring to it by that name with a quick google search. One example. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It is so extremely rare and was never used on this website until Tyciol, who has been proven by the community to have been making poor and useless redirects, made it. The redirect is unused and not a viable search term. I have only found four other viable hits for "Kamen Ryuki" in Google through the first few hundred results other than the one you have shown. Everthing else are those stupid spam bot things that list every single word combination possible.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 00:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. this tool shows you how many people search for certain terms via google. the tool shows an average of 49,500 hits for kamen ryuki per month. make of that what you will. Drag-5 (talk) 02:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * How many of those results also contain the word "Rider"? There are only 3000 google hits for "Kamen Ryuki" as a two word phrase. There are over 100 times as many for "Kamen Rider Ryuki".— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 02:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Check the tool, see for yourself. it give information on number of searches, not number of pages. it is quite specific, showing single word searches and multi-word searches. i believe 49,500 searches on google per month shows that a lot of people are likely to search for that phrase. but it's not what i think that matters. Drag-5 (talk) 03:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * actually, I wasn't checking the exact phrase. theres only 320 for the phrase and 140 for the exact phrase. but i still think that is sufficient. I don't think a redirect page for kamen ryuki is in any way counterproductive. Drag-5 (talk) 03:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It is when the creator has been chastised for unhelpful redirects in the past.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 03:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * However, we are discussing the purpose and merit of this redirect, not the past of the user who created it. We should not put any additional weight on the argument to delete because of a users history when assessing pages in the project in my opinion. --Taelus (talk) 07:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * See above in response to your similar statement.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 07:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems like a plausible search term, and redirects are cheap. Is this part of some kind of campaign against Tyciol? Otherwise the nomination seems strange. --Apoc2400 (talk) 22:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This is not a campaign against Tyciol and this is not a plausible search term as I have been saying repeatedly. Tyciol's creation of the redirect is merely a context by which to explain why this redirect is not useful. Tyciol had been making redirects out of as many combinations of an article's title (or the subject of an article's name), such as "Elton Hercules" for Elton Hercules John and other similar articles for which I do not have clear examples of.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 00:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Clarification: This is not a plausible search term. When put into google as the phrase, only five real websites that are not search engine spam things use this as an abbreviation for "Kamen Rider Ryuki". This redirect is used nowhere in Wikipedia (currently) other than in direct relation to the fact it was created by who is currently indefinitely blocked for the cluelessness in how his redirects were harmful and not helpful. This is one of them made in his taking parts of the full title of a page and omitting various words, which is only useful for search engines and not Wikipedia. Five people refer to this subject as "Kamen Ryuki" off of Wikipedia. Everywhere else it is the full name or Ryuki, which exists as a disamibiguation page. No external websites use this because the redirect is less than a week old. This redirect has no use on Wikipedia and should be deleted along with most of the other redirects that Tyciol had made.— Ryūlóng  ( 竜龙 ) 01:24, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ryulong, your constant references to and his past edits could be viewed as personal attacks. this area is for discussion of the merits and demerits of this redirect, please stop making reference to this specific user. Drag-5 (talk) 16:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * He made it. He's been blocked for his constant bad redirect making. It's a perfectly fine basis to add to reasons why the redirect should be deleted. It is not a personal attack. Stop throwing policies at me when I used to enforce them. I am curious as to how you managed to find this discussion, however, because you've never touched this page before, nor did you ever touch any tokusatsu-related page other than those relating to the Guyver before our encounter in your requested moves.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 20:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)