Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 January 16

January 16
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 16, 2009

No Escape? → No Escape
The result of the discussion was keep. delldot  &nabla;.  21:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC) 

Searching for "No Escape?" brings you "No Escape" anyway. Also, this is an unlikely search term. -- smurdah  [citation needed]  15:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nom Tavix (talk) 00:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as a very plausible search term and typographical error. Please note: 1) I created this redirect after nom was practically complaining about another editor suggesting retargetings without actually doing it in yet another RfD discussion (which, as of this writing, is still open) - I did the retargeting partially because of such feedback and partically because the IP made sense with most of his suggestions (although I'm not sure about one of them, which I did not do), 2) the proximity of the "?" next to a shift key makes the inadvertent addition of the punctuation mark likely indeed, and 3) Nom should have made mention of the history of the nominated redirect when he posted this a second time. B.Wind (talk) 03:44, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - not sufficiently implausible to justify deletion. TerriersFan (talk) 22:15, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd like to withdraw this nomination, if acceptable. -- smurdah  [citation needed]  00:05, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As there is an independent delete recommendation, it cannot be closed as a withdrawal, However, the closer will account for your reversal when making their decision. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as the person who suggested this retargeting in the first RfD. The accidental addition of a question mark is very likely. Should a book, film, album, etc., with No Escape? ever gain traction, the redirect can be easily overwritten. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 19:23, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Pedagogy (Myers-Briggs) → Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
 The result of the discussion was delete without objections--Aervanath (talk) 17:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC) Recommend deletion because the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name and is not an established term and no articles link to this redirect and the target article contains no references to teaching learning or pedagogy and if personality type is relevant a more general article about type would be a better link--AlotToLearn (talk) 01:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

Idiot exploiter → Internet Explorer
The result of the discussion was Deleted. -- Ed (Edgar181) 00:18, 17 January 2009 (UTC) Delete. Derogatory redirect that is hardly used/sourced anyway, and (minor reason) the capitalization is incorrect. GVOLTT How's my editing?\My contribs 07:38, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

North central bronx hospital → List of hospitals in New York
The result of the discussion was delete--Aervanath (talk) 17:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC) Delete. Unlikely to ever have an article, created only to blue a self-link, unlikely capitalization, etc. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete as this has to function as a redlink in the List page until a stub is created. That way, people don't click on the blue link on the list page thinking to find the hospital when it really isn't there. Tavix (talk) 00:35, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - it is normal to redirect nn schools to a list article where some core information can be added and I see no reason not to follow the same practice for hospitals. The way to deal with the blue/red issue is to remove the link altogether as has already been done for a number of other hospitals. TerriersFan (talk) 22:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete we want the list to display a redlink so people will want to make an article for it --Enric Naval (talk) 10:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

North Central Bronx Hospital → List of hospitals in New York
The result of the discussion was delete--Aervanath (talk) 17:11, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Delete. Unlikely to ever have an article, created only to blue a self-link, etc. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete as this has to function as a redlink in the List page until a stub is created. That way, people don't click on the blue link on the list page thinking to find the hospital when it really isn't there. Tavix (talk) 00:35, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - it is normal to redirect nn schools to a list article where some core information can be added and I see no reason not to follow the same practice for hospitals. The way to deal with the blue/red issue is to remove the link altogether as has already been done for a number of other hospitals. TerriersFan (talk) 22:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete same as above --Enric Naval (talk) 10:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Lucksemborg → Luxembourg
The result of the discussion was delete. delldot  &nabla;.  21:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Delete. Unlikely and derogatory misspelling. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nom. Tavix (talk) 00:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete --AlotToLearn (talk) 01:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as derogatory. --Eivind (t) 13:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - redirects of phonetically misspelled words generally are not acceptable. Should Tims or Tams be redirects to Thames, for example? 147.70.242.54 (talk) 18:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Tuscaloosa, alabama where u of alabama is → University of Alabama
 The result of the discussion was Speedied under WP:R3. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 01:52, 17 January 2009 (UTC) Delete. REALLY unlikely. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nom. --Eivind (t) 12:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Jon nash → John Nash
The result of the discussion was delete--Aervanath (talk) 17:08, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Delete. (or perhaps Johnny Nash). Possible alternative capitalization of Jon Nash, but that shouldn't redirect to John Nash, either. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Interesting. A Google search turns up quite a few people by this name, but none of them meriting inclusion in Wikipedia. A person can argue that "Jon nash" (and "Jon Nash") are likely typos for John Nash, which itself is a disambiguation page. So the question is whether it is better to retarget to the dab page as a plausible typo or delete it as a potentially confusing/harmful redirect. Since the redirect would be to a dab page of a different spelling, it would be confusing to some readers/editors... Delete. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 19:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I would redirect both to John Nash to be helpful.--Rumping (talk) 19:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Kissy kiss → Kiss (band)
The result of the discussion was retarget to Kiss--Aervanath (talk) 17:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Delete or retarget to the disambiguation page. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Retarget to kiss as the phrase refers to (and often precedes) a smooch (a.k.a "kiss"). Retargeting to Kiss (disambiguation) is not the correct move as Kissy also exists as a dab page. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 19:36, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Create as a disambiguation between Kiss (disambiguation) and Kissy (disambiguation)? Probably better to delete.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 21:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Kiss - clearly the phrase has nothing to do with the rock band; it has one meaning, whether it be a peck on the cheek or a smooch or a big, wet one. B.Wind (talk) 16:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Sydnie Steenstra → March 22
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete G6. Tavix (talk) 00:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC) Delete. Probably a relative of the editor, and no idea why it's there. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

RAT SNakes-snakes → Rat snake
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete--Aervanath (talk) 17:03, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Delete. Wierd miscapitalization and duplication. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

Saint beernard → Saint Bernard
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Keep. (non-admin closure) <span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy, sans-serif; color:DarkBlue">Mastrchf (t/c) 02:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Delete. Unlikely misspelling and capitalization. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Very strong keep Very plausible misspelling.--<font face="verdana"; font size="2"; font color="green">Patton <font face="verdana"; font size="2"; font color="green">t /<font face="verdana"; font size="2"; font color="green">c 23:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong delete If every mispelling as bad as this - not even matching the sound of the word - was catered for, we would have an unusable searchlist--AlotToLearn (talk) 01:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The lump of coal → Daniel Handler
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete with no prejudice against re-creation as a redirect to either a) a dab page at Lump of Coal (or Lump of coal) or b) The Lump of Coal if either of those is ever created.--Aervanath (talk) 17:02, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Delete. No idea why it was created. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * It's the title of a book written by the guy on the target article Hum..... should this be delete so it's a redlink to write an article or maybe keep because it's useful? :P Correct capitalization is The Lump of Coal, already red-linked on the target article. --Enric Naval (talk) 08:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I missed that. Still doesn't seem a good redirect, though.... — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 17:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If we had a Lump of coal (or Lump of Coal) article or dab page, I'd recommend retargeting to that (in fact, there should be a dab page there). There's A Lump of Coal, a Christmas music compilation album, and it is a quite often occurrence of someone mis-remembering a name beginning with "A" as one beginning with "the." So, until someone decides to put together a dab page (I did my fair share doing that for a previous RfD), retarget to A Lump of Coal as a plausible search item/typographical error. If the book merits a Wikipedia article, list the title at WP:Requested articles.B.Wind (talk) 03:54, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete because of incorrect capitalization and to preserve the redlink. Tavix (talk) 00:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - it is normal to redirect nn book titles to their author. The way to deal with a potentially misleading blue link is simply to delete the link altogether; this is quite normal to avoid circular redirects. TerriersFan (talk) 22:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment looks like a dab page should be built somewhere. 76.66.198.171 (talk) 06:09, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Neal Steenstra → 2001
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete Tavix (talk) 00:11, 17 January 2009 (UTC) Delete. Double redirect through the one below, probably a relative of the editor. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

Saskia Steenstra → 2001
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete. delldot  &nabla;.  20:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Delete. Attempt to blue-link a birth date at 2001. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Speedy delete CSD R3 - per above entry. There is no obvious connection between the person and the year absent the mention above. B.Wind (talk) 20:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, rather illogical redirect to say the least. It's not recently-created, though, so not an R3. Stifle (talk) 15:25, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - why does this one survive after the one above was nuked? 147.70.242.54 (talk) 19:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment. The reason it was saved is probably that I deleted it as R3 then restored it when I realized it wasn't recent.  The one above probably shouldn't have been speedied, either but there's no question it should have gone.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 21:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

American Athlete Union → AAU
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete--Aervanath (talk) 16:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC) Delete. Not in disambiguation page, nor a likely misspelling of something in the page. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep - mistaking "Athlete" for "Athletic" in abbreviations is actually quite common. B.Wind (talk) 03:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But how does redirecting to a dab page help? -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:10, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's possible Amateur Athletic Union was intended, but I can find references to an "American Athletic Union" in google so it's not clear that they are the same thing. Redirecting to a dab page is incorrect as it sends the user to a dead end. A red link would be better. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:10, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Wku! → WKU
<span id="Wku!" > <div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was deleted CSD R3 by User:David Eppstein (non-admin close) B.Wind (talk) 04:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC) Delete. Note the "!", it seems an unlikely redirect, and WKU is itself a redirect. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * delete after a quick search, it does not appear to be a notable expression used anywhere, aka unlikely search term --Enric Naval (talk) 08:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete--Christopher Kraus (talk) 21:38, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete! This! has! got! to go! now! Tavix (talk) 00:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Derty → Dirty
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete--Aervanath (talk) 16:51, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Delete. It's a possible typo, but I find it unlikely. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) Speedy Delete. Really unlikely typo.--Christopher Kraus (talk) 21:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep I can see functioning as a typo, nothing wrong here. Tavix (talk) 00:10, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

The heavenly christmas tree → Fyodor Dostoyevsky
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was keep. delldot  &nabla;.  21:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Delete. Miscapitalization of a translation of the name of one of his short stories. There are probably other books of that name The Heavenly Christmas Tree. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep per WP:RFD. Lack of capitalization is not an uncommon typographical error. In fact, in some European conventions, titles of movies, stories, songs, music albums, and books are generally not capitalized (although in this case "Christmas" should be). B.Wind (talk) 03:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment the correct capitalization should not be linked, as it's presently a redlink in the target, and that would make that link an an improper self-link. Why should an incorrect capitalization be linked?  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 13:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:RFD allows for the keeping of likely/plausible typographical errors and search items. In this case, a properly targeted redirect with an incorrect capitalisation could preserve the redlink for the properly named article. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 19:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - it is normal to redirect nn book titles to their author. The way to deal with a potentially misleading blue link is simply to delete the link altogether as has already been done. TerriersFan (talk) 22:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)