Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 January 2

January 2
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 2, 2009

Bosnian Al Qada → Bosnian mujahideen
The result of the discussion was speedily deleted by ChrisO, CSD R3 (non admin closure) B.Wind (talk) 04:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC) Serb radical - a troll, made just a few edits, based on speculations, and obvious nationalistic agenda in the light of Bosnian-Serbian war, without any soruces. This is just a common behaviour of Serb radicals related to Bosnian war topics. Historičar (talk) 23:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete Both because of the spelling, and because of th who the creator is. //  Chris  (complaints) • (contribs) 17:05, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. That's not even how you spell Al Qaeda. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:00, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've speedily deleted this under WP:CSD (inplausible typo). -- ChrisO (talk) 00:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Kopernikus (GMES) → Global Monitoring for Environment and Security
 The result of the discussion was Delete --Allen3 talk 12:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC) Page has been moved and would be found by GMES as well as by the disambigs Kopernikus and Copernicus also. No links left Xqt (talk) 09:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete - "Kopernicus" and "Copernicus" are completely absent from the target article. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 00:35, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Guadalajara (disambiguation)/edit war → Guadalajara (disambiguation)
 The result of the discussion was Delete --Allen3 talk 12:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC) Redirect was prodded, but PROD applies only to articles. Brought here as an unlikely search item; history is essentially one long edit war, according to prodder in previous edit to the redirect. B.Wind (talk) 09:06, 2 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. Unlikely search term, redirects should not be based upon the target page's history. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:02, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

A collection of WPP: short cuts/redirects
The result of the discussion was delete all.--Aervanath talks like a mover, but not a shaker 13:08, 11 January 2009 (UTC) The following are cross namespace redirects to various WikiProject pages (the short cuts should have started with WP:, not WPP:), except for one that redirects to a portal talk page (I am of the impression that one should have started with PT:, but I could be mistaken). I was mistaken (see below).


 * WPP:BIO → WikiProject Biography
 * WPP:CM → WikiProject Christian music
 * WPP:COPY → WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors
 * WPP:DAB → WikiProject Disambiguation
 * WPP:DIS → WikiProject Disambiguation
 * Wpp:ga → WikiProject Good articles
 * WPP:GT → WikiProject Georgia Tech
 * WPP:MUSIC → WikiProject Music
 * WPP:NIN → WikiProject Nine Inch Nails
 * WPP:PL → Portal talk:Poland/Poland-related Wikipedia notice board
 * WPP:SERIES → WikiProject Media franchises
 * WPP:series → WikiProject Media franchises

B.Wind (talk) 07:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What exactly is your objection to these? I was under the impression that WPP was a fairly common prefix for Wiki Project pages; and it seems useful. (The portal talk page serves in practice as a Wiki Project page - for some reason it's never been moved to a more appropriate place, but that redirect is just as good or bad as the others.)--Kotniski (talk) 12:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * WPP: is not on the list of "official" Wikipedia namespaces; there has been plenty of precedent for deletion of redirects with this prefix (WPP:OREGON, for example), and there has been a series of RfD discussions about them in recent weeks. All of the above are cross namespace redirects from titles that simply do not belong here. Many of these can be replaced by "legal" short cuts quite easily, if not trivially. B.Wind (talk) 20:18, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete all. The obvious objection is that these could be trivially replaced by the usual WP: shortcuts that don't pollute article space. There's no need for a separate WikiProject pseudo-namespace. — Gavia immer (talk) 16:30, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not trivially - for example, WP:DIS already points to a different page, and I suspect the same is true of most of them. --Kotniski (talk) 18:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Since you mentioned it, I took a look at all the trivial "possible replacements" (in order of discussion):
 * WP:BIO redirects to WP:Notability (people) (but WP:BIOG is already in place as a substitute short cut for WPP:BIO);
 * WP:CM points to WP:WikiProject Classical music (WP:XM is available to replace WPP:CM);
 * WP:COPY points to WP:Copyrights (but WPP:COPY can be replaced by WP:Copy editor, WP:Copyeditor, and WP:GCE);
 * WP:DAB points to WP:Disambiguation, while WPP:DAB and WP:WPDAB point to the same project page (WP:WikiProject Disambiguation);
 * WP:DIS points to WP:Disruptive editing and should be a disambiguation page as this could be misunderstood to be a possible short cut for WP:WikiProject Disambiguation and WP:WikiProject Disney;
 * Wpp:ga should be deleted without replacement as WP:WPGA already serves its purpose (WP:GA points to WP:Good articles);
 * WP:GT points to WP:Good topics (WP:GIT and WP:WPGT are both available to replace WPP:GT);
 * WP:NIN points to WP:WikiProject Nintendo (a hatnote should be place on the target page) - WPP:NIN can be easily replaced by WP:WPNIN as WP:NINE already exists as a short cut to the same page;
 * WPP:PL has no corresponding "legitimate" analog in Wikipedia space, and PL links to an article "PL" in Polish Wikipedia;
 * WP:SERIES is a short cut to an essay (WPP:SERIES can be replaced by the more logical WP:MEDIAF or WP:WPMF, and WP:MEDIA links to a disambiguation page).
 * I hope this helps in the discussion. B.Wind (talk) 21:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

All right, delete all, as long as alternative shortcuts are created and advertised on the target pages. For the Polish one I suggest something like WT:WPPL, and I'll try to get people to agree to move the page into Wikipedia space as a WikiProject (I never really understood why it was in portal space).--Kotniski (talk) 13:00, 4 January 2009 (UTC) (Now moved, and WP:WPPL/WT:WPPL shortcuts created. K)
 * Delete all, but leave the issue of the establishing alternatives to the WikiProjects themselves - a quick note on the Projects' talk pages summarizing this (or linking to this) should be sufficient. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 01:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * So what's to stop them establishing something equally objectionable as the ones being deleted?--Kotniski (talk) 06:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Other than the fact that "they" are WikiProjects? 147.70.242.54 (talk) 19:34, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

Why Wikipedia Is Not So Great → Why Wikipedia is not so great
The result of the discussion was delete.--Aervanath talks like a mover, but not a shaker 11:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Variant of Why Wikipedia is not so great, a cross namespace redirect deleted earlier today (and, because the latter's deletion log shows three deletions and three restorations, I would add it to this nomination when/if there is yet another restoration). I also nominate the similar Why Wikipedia is not that great → Why Wikipedia is not so great and Why Wikipedia is so great → Why Wikipedia is so great for similar consideration as cross namespace redirects. B.Wind (talk) 07:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete, per nom. We shouldn't be polluting the encyclopedic namespace with redirects to non-content pages.  We have Criticism of Wikipedia anyway, which is actually an article.  -- Cyde Weys  14:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Cross-namespace redirect. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete as a Cross-Namespact Redirect. -- MISTER ALCOHOL  TC 20:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

RWNB → Romanian Wikipedians' notice board
The result of the discussion was delete.--Aervanath talks like a mover, but not a shaker 11:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Short cut from article space to project space. WP:RWNB, a more valid short cut, currently redirects to the same page. B.Wind (talk) 06:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Speedy delete. Cross-namespace redirect. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't think RWNB Media has met the WP:CORP bar yet. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 00:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

NYCPT → WikiProject New York City Public Transportation
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete.--Aervanath talks like a <b style="color:green;">mover</b>, but not a shaker 11:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Cross-namespace redirect created as a short cut May 2008; the similar NYCPT/L was deleted last month while it was under discussion. The similar WP:NYCPT is an older, valid, short cut to the same project page. B.Wind (talk) 06:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Redirect to Mass transit in New York City --Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirecting wouldn't be a bad idea if the abbreviation appeared somewhere in the article, but it doesn't, so a redirect to there would not give the proper context needed for it to make sense. If it's retargeted as suggested, ensure that the abbreviation appears in target with a brief explanation; otherwise, it would be better off deleted. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 00:29, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - this doesn't seem to be an acronym used outside of Wikipedia, so redirecting elsewhere would not be helpful. Terraxos (talk) 20:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

FP:FA → Portal:Food/Selected articles
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete.--Aervanath talks like a <b style="color:green;">mover</b>, but not a shaker 11:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Two-year-old short cut that is a cross-namespace redirect as FP: is not an official Wikipedia namespace. B.Wind (talk) 06:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. Abbreviations can be helpful. -- MISTER ALCOHOL  TC 20:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not this one. It creates the illusion of a FP: namespace existing in Wikipedia. It doesn't. P:FSA (or P:F/SA) would be a more appropriate short cut. Delete. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 00:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Cross-namespace redirect that also creates the illusion that there is a "FP:" namespace. --Allen3 talk 00:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

FP:FAA → Portal:Food/2007 Selected article archive
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete.--Aervanath talks like a <b style="color:green;">mover</b>, but not a shaker 11:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Short cut created April 2008 is a cross-namespace redirect from a non-standard "namespace" to a portal space. Portal:Food/2006 Featured article archive also shows this as a short cut. B.Wind (talk) 05:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. Abbreviations can be helpful. -- MISTER ALCOHOL  TC 20:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not this one. It creates the illusion of a FP: namespace existing in Wikipedia. It doesn't. Delete. Also, two pages with completely different names state FP:FAA to be a short cut (which means that if there were a legitimately-named short cut, say P:FFAA or P:FSAA), a disambiguation page would be needed instead. Either way, the portal archive pages need to be merged or renamed to match form for the arrangement even to make sense. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 00:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Cross-namespace redirect that also creates the illusion that there is a "FP:" namespace. --Allen3 talk 00:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)