Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 January 3

January 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 3, 2009

Tramway list redirects
The result of the discussion was Delete --Allen3 talk 12:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC) These four were originally article names but the corresponding articles were renamed to something more sensible. No-one is going to type these in as search items with the parentheses and commas etc. What is more, two of these redirects are for multiple continents and the target pages have since been split further and thus the existing redirects make even less sense.Boissière (talk) 20:51, 3 January 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * List of town tramway (urban tramway, streetcar) systems → List of town tramway systems
 * List of town tramway (urban tramway, streetcar) systems - Africa and Asia → List of town tramway systems in Africa
 * List of town tramway (urban tramway, streetcar) systems - Europe → List of town tramway systems in Europe
 * List of town tramway (urban tramway, streetcar) systems - Oceania, North America and South America → List of town tramway systems in Oceania
 * Delete all - as well as being very unlikely search terms/link targets, the bottom three are inaccurate.  RichardΩ612  Ɣ ɸ 18:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * delete – redirects should provide shortcuts or alternative names, not those letter monster! a x p de  Hello!  08:48, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

KPTI
The result of the discussion was delete and move KPTI (FM) to KPTI.--Aervanath talks like a mover, but not a shaker 13:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC) This is just an example of a widespread issue. This disambiguation page is between a link to an article based on its airport "code" (which is not in the article title - people don't search for what they already know) and a link to a non-existent article that -might- be created some day by the radio projects group.StreamingRadioGuide (talk) 09:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Article was originally created as a redirect to the airport. Since a radio station exists at the call sign, and since consensus has held that licensed radio stations are held to be notable, I converted the redirect to a disambiguation page. When — and trust me, it's a when, not an if — the article for the radio station is created at the current disambiguated link, a hatnote linking to the airport will be added to it, and then a request will be made to delete the disambiguation page and move the radio station article to it since the radio station is a primary identifier and the airport code is a tertiary one. I can attest from having cleaned up thousands of incoming links to article names such as this, and continuing to do so as new ones are created, that the disambiguation page is necessary. Mlaffs (talk) 17:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * (e.c.)Comment This was perhaps a bad example to defend, as a review of the airport article doesn't provide any indication that the initial redirect was a good one. KPTI isn't the ICAO code for the airport, and only PTI is listed as an abbreviation that's used. As such, the hatnote on the radio station article probably won't be necessary. If the nominator is prepared to withdraw the nomination now that the radio station article has been created, I can proceed with adding a speedy tag to the dab page so that the radio station article can be moved into its place. Mlaffs (talk) 21:43, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Further comment Since this same argument could also be used to request deletion of the many other similar disambiguation pages that exist, it's worth saying that I'd disagree with the idea that "people don't search for what they already know". If I were looking for the article on the international airport in Toronto, I could try one of several possible combinations of names in the search box, as I can never remember exactly what it's called. However, I've flown out of it enough to know that the ticket code is YYZ, so I'd likely throw that into the search box instead, knowing that someone's probably either redirected that entry to the actual article or that the actual article is linked from a disambiguation page at that address (which it is). Mlaffs (talk) 21:55, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Airports worldwide are known by their 4 letter IATA and ICAO codes and this sometimes overlaps with US radio station calls. DAB pages exist to point readers in the right direction when they search on just those 4 letters.  The naming guidelines maintained by WP:WPRS tell us If more than one article has the same base call sign, or if an acronym or some other common usage shares that call sign, a disambiguation page should be created at the base call sign  The nominator calls this a widespread issue, but it seems more like a question about interpretation of these naming conventions.  This larger question should really be discussed on the WP:WPRS talk page and clarified if necessary before nominating any more redirects.--Rtphokie (talk) 13:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Strong Keep - I created page KPTI (FM)....that should solve the nominator's concerns. :) -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • January 3, 2009 @ 17:46
 * Delete and Move - This DAB page was likely created based on an incorrect table of ICAO codes. This DAB should be deleted and the current KPTI (FM) article should renamed to KPTI.  While it's common for DAB pages to be created where radio station callsigns and ICAO codes overlap, it's not necessary in this case.  Piedmont Triad International Airport's code is KGSO not KPTI.  Neither the FAA nor IATA refer to it as PTI or KPTI.  --Rtphokie (talk) 21:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and move the radio station page to this title, per the users above - KPTI is not actually the code used for this airport, so a disambiguation page is not needed. Terraxos (talk) 20:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)