Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 July 23

July 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 23, 2009

Template:Country data FYROM
The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 08:37, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Was listed at WP:Templates for deletion/Log/2009 July 15 but closed to be relisted here. As I explained in the first nomination, although this is a redirect, it is not used like a standard redirect and wouldn't be transcluded directly, but it would be used as a flag template parameter. Specifically, it would be used like, , etc. to render the flag of Macedonia and perhaps a wikilink to the Republic of Macedonia article with the corresponding template name as display text for that link. In effect, it is an alternate "alias" of Template:Country data Macedonia. This nomination is is response to WP:MOSMAC2, which prescribes the instances where the country should be referred to as "former Yugoslav". I have found no instances where these alias templates are needed, and keeping them is a type of POV, in my opinion. If it is absolutely essential to show "former Yugoslav" with a flag template (as is the case in the current ISO 3166-1 article, for example), then the  parameter can be used, as per its intent (e.g.  . — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC) The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination.  Please do not modify it.
 * → Template:Country data Macedonia

Template:Country data FYR Macedonia
The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 08:45, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Delete per previous explanation. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * → Template:Country data Macedonia

Template:Country data Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 08:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Delete per previous explanation. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * → Template:Country data Macedonia

Template:Country data Macedonia, the former Yugoslav Republic of
The result of the discussion was '''Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 09:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Delete per previous explanation. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * → Template:Country data Macedonia


 * Delete all now that this is open in the right place. I agree entirely with the nominator; these are a potential cause of POV trouble in an area notorious for POV trouble, and there are other means to achieve the purpose of these redirects if that's desirable. — Gavia immer (talk) 20:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * 2 questions, just to make sure: (a) does anybody know in how many pages the (indirect) invocations of these redirects are currently used (i.e. FYROM and friends)? Owing to the indirect nature of their use, they are not easy to find through whatlinkshere and similar means. (b) Is it possible to tweak the parent template Country data Macedonia in such a way that the redirects will just all output the same display string, so that we would avoid changing all the pages instead? (I notice that  undefined already outputs "Macedonia", while  FYROM does output "FYROM".) Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "What links here" works perfectly fine on these redirects. There are currently zero transclusions in main article space; these are only now used on a handful of user pages only.  There were a small number of instances in main article space not long ago, but I replaced them all per WP:MOSMAC2-compliant edits. (For example, removing the "FYR" from football biography articles.)  I only made the nomination to delete these four redirect aliases after confirming they were not needed in article space.  I only found one single instance where one could be used (ISO 3166-1), but the   parameter to flag handles that scenario.  As to your second question, there is absolutely no difference for flagicon, so the "FYROM" label etc. is only seen in wiki markup.  Better to use 🇲🇰 (standard ISO/IOC/FIFA/etc. country code) or 🇲🇰 for clarity.  As for flag, the whole point of that template is to output exactly what the input parameter is, so no, there is no way to make your suggested change.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 22:24, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the clarification and sorry for not researching more thoroughly – I seemed to remember there were numerous "flag|FYROM" uses around the place and hadn't noticed they were already all removed. In that case, I quite agree, they should now be deleted to avoid further trouble. Thanks for your efforts. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)