Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 March 31

March 31
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 31, 2009

Terror (comics) (disambiguation) ‎ → Terror (comics)
The result of the discussion was Delete all. Ruslik (talk) 06:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)  also Fly (comics) (disambiguation) → Fly (comics); Satana (comics) (disambiguation) → Satana (comics); ‎Scorpion (comics) (disambiguation) → Scorpion (comics); Nameless One (comics) (disambiguation) → Nameless One (comics); etc. Delete - useless bot-created dab with no worthwhile page history. I got the idea of nominating all of these per Jack Frost and Hangman below but there are well over 100 of them. Can a bot be tasked to tag and/or delete these rather than requiring they go through a full RFD process? Otto4711 (talk) 23:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete as an implausible search term.  ♪Tempo  di Valse ♪  03:23, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete any and all of these. The doubled disambiguation makes them quite unlikely to be of any use. I would support just invoking G6 (housekeeping) on the lot of them, given the general opinion in previous nominations. — Gavia immer (talk) 03:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Since these redirects are bot-created, their deletion falls neatly into the category of housekeeping (G6). So, I will delete all redirects of this type that I can find that meet the following criterion: bot-created redirect with no useful incoming links and no edit history worth preserving that is not currently nominated at RfD. –Black Falcon (Talk) 23:32, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Crystal Clear app clock-orange.svg|20px]] In progress. There are about 200 of these, so it's taking me some time... I'll post a link to the full list of deletions when I'm done. –Black Falcon (Talk) 19:07, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * &#x2713; Done, see log. –Black Falcon (Talk) 00:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seem to be done; I checked the first two listed (fly and santana) and they are both still there. ike9898 (talk) 16:48, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I did not delete any that are currently being discussed at RFD, and both of those are included in this nomination. –Black Falcon (Talk) 19:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy G6 per Black Falcon. Tavix : Chat  02:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Otheruse → Wikipedia:Template messages/General
The result of the discussion was delete both.--Aervanath (talk) 06:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Also
 * Otheruses → Wikipedia:Template messages/General

Delete. Cross namespace redirect. Could be useful for some purposes, but the discussion should have been reopened rather than the WP:SNOW delete being summarily reversed. Not specificially relevant to the target, a large section of the target, or a specific anchor in the target. There's also no good target. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * hm yes, I meant to leave a note about this. will elaborate later. –  xeno  ( talk ) 01:22, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Yes, I restored the redirect as a user was confused where it went. If someone finds it useful then there's likely no harm keeping it around. Keep, or retarget to a help page about how "otheruses" aid in Wikipedia navigation (i.e. Disambiguation). – xeno  ( talk ) 02:47, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete both. "Could be useful for some purpose" - what purpose pray? &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It is useful for some users to navigate to the target. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:47, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete both CNRs confuse readers, who are our primary audience.  MBisanz  talk 19:00, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Disclosure: I had left messages for both MBisanz and RHaworth as they were involved in the original nomination and speedy deletion of Otheruse, respectively. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Another suggestion would be re-targeting to Word-sense disambiguation. This would do double-duty of explaning what we mean when we say "for other uses" and also there is a hatnote leading users who may indeed want a wikipedia-space expanation to Disambiguation. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RFD. so simple. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, same as below (no... not imediatelly below... look even lower. Thanks) - Nabla (talk) 00:18, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Otheruses → Wikipedia:Template messages/General
The result of the discussion was retarget to Template:Otheruses.--Aervanath (talk) 06:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Delete or Retarget to Template:Otheruses. Not specificially relevant to the target, a large section of the target, or a specific anchor in the target. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Retarget to Template:Otheruses seems fine. – xeno  ( talk ) 03:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Retarget to, since that's likely what is being sought by anyone who visits the redirect. — Gavia immer (talk) 03:37, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Template:Otheruses.  ♪Tempo  di Valse ♪  19:52, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as an unnecessary cross-namespace redirect with no useful incoming links. Anyone who knows about otheruses will be aware of the existence of the template namespace and can just as easily type in . If kept, retarget to Template:Otheruses templates rather than to otheruses, which is just one of many. –Black Falcon (Talk) 23:06, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Retarget to WP:disambiguation 76.66.193.69 (talk) 04:21, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation templates → Wikipedia:Template messages/General
The result of the discussion was delete--Aervanath (talk) 06:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Delete, or Move to Wikipedia namespace (without redirect) and respecify target as Template messages/General. Very old cross-namespace redirect, and there's a better target. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Retarget to Hatnote (or Hatnote) – xeno  ( talk ) 03:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as an unnecessary cross-namespace redirect with no useful incoming links. Anyone who knows about disambiguation templates will be aware of the existence of the template namespace and would not need to search in the mainspace. –Black Falcon (Talk) 23:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RFD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, same as below - Nabla (talk) 00:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Otheruses templates → Wikipedia:Template messages/General
The result of the discussion was delete all.--Aervanath (talk) 06:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Also
 * Other uses templates → Wikipedia:Template messages/General
 * Otheruses templates → Wikipedia:Template messages/General

Delete. Very old cross-namespace redirect, and there's no good target. Not specificially relevant to the target, a large section of the target, or a specific anchor in the target. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Retarget to Template:Otheruses templates. I still think deletion would be more appropriate, but if it's marked as non-printworthy, I don't have much objection.  I know my proposed target says it's not intended to be accessed directly, but that's both plausible and appropriate.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 07:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Template:Otheruses. – xeno  ( talk ) 02:53, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why do you think it should be changed to point directly to otheruses, which is actually just one of many "otheruses templates"? Thanks, –Black Falcon (Talk) 22:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Template:Otheruses seems to transclude that documentation subpage; either would work. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:45, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Template:Otheruses  ♪Tempo  di Valse ♪  03:26, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as unnecessary cross-namespace redirects with no useful incoming links. Anyone who knows about otheruses will be aware of the existence of the template namespace and can just as easily type in . –Black Falcon (Talk) 22:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong delete. This an unnecessary cross-namespace redirect. If we start doing this there will be no end. Lemmas in the encyclopedia should not be self-referenced to templates and tools editors use. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, for the same reasons both Black Falcon and Magioladitis stated. - Nabla (talk) 00:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Especial:Seguimiento → es:Especial:Seguimiento
The result of the discussion was delete--Aervanath (talk) 06:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Delete. "Especial:Seguimiento" is Spanish for "Special:Watchlist". A user originally created this as a redirect to Special:Watchlist, but a few days ago someone else changed it into a redirect to the equivalent page on the Spanish Wikipedia. The reasoning behind either one escapes me; if someone wants the Spanish Wikipedia, they can get to it by typing :es: in the Search box, and we don't generally provide translations of every page title into every foreign language that we can think of. R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. Redirects to other projects don't work, and neither do redirects to special pages. Nor is there any reason I can see to replace either with a soft redirect, since neither is likely to be useful on the English Wikipedia. — Gavia immer (talk) 03:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per Gavia immer as unneeded non-English cross-project redirect. –Black Falcon (Talk) 22:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

ALexis Lopez → American Idol (season 1)
The result of the discussion was delete--Aervanath (talk) 06:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Delete. Obvious typo that was tagged R3 but R3 does not apply (too old for it), so listing here instead.  So Why  11:09, 31 March 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nom. Unnecessary redirect (the pagemove history is preserved here) as the redirect Alexis Lopez will take care of any capitalization variants since the search function "is case-insensitive for an article whose title is all initial caps" (Redirect). –Black Falcon (Talk) 17:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per above.  ♪Tempo  di Valse ♪  18:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Typo with the Second capital letter. Techman224  Talk  20:34, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * DElete AS AN UNlikely TYpo. TOo BAd IT's TOo OLd FOr R3. -- Tavix | Talk  00:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Verelade → Gascon Saintongeois
The result of the discussion was delete. No objections raised.--Aervanath (talk) 06:33, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Delete. Verelade and Grand Gascon-Saintongeois are not remotely the same breed of dog, or related in anyway that I can see. They are recognized as different breeds by CKC, UKC, among other kennel associations. Avalik (talk) 10:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

England's Next Top Model → Britain's Next Top Model
Also nominating Englands Next Top Model targets to same as top The result of the discussion was no consensus--Aervanath (talk) 06:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete both. Unnecessary redirect. ApprenticeFan  talk  contribs 10:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete both per nom as unnecessary, misleading redirects. By the way, this page is mentioned here... –Black Falcon (Talk) 17:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * keep as, unfortunately, many non Brits think that England and Britain are the same thing. Even though this redirect could be seen as perpetuating this, and I would not suggest specifically creating it, someone has and this would enable such a person to find the correct article. PaulJones (talk) 19:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ...even the grammatically-incorrect one? –Black Falcon (Talk) 19:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * yes, even the grammatically one. Redirects are useful for correcting user's incorrect grammar.PaulJones (talk) 19:21, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep both the one with the apostrophe, delete the gramatically incorrect one.  ♪Tempo  di Valse ♪  19:53, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep both (if there's nowhere to retarget to). – xeno  ( talk ) 14:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:RICHARD → Wikipedia:Don't be a dick
The result of the discussion was delete--Aervanath (talk) 06:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Delete. My first thought was that this was an attack page, but then I noticed that it was created by an established and constructive editor. However, regardless of the motivation for creating this redirect, I think it's fair to say that the redirect is unneeded (no apparent connection to the target page, no particularly useful incoming links and no edit history worth preserving) and potentially offensive to people named Richard. –Black Falcon (Talk) 06:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Comment. "Dick" is the diminutive form of the name, Richard. I expect this was created as a polite alternative to make the point without actually calling the subject a "dick". Somewhat redundant, though. Rockpock  e  t  06:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I hadn't thought of that, though I find it a bit self-defeating to attempt to be polite while calling someone a dick. : ) –Black Falcon (Talk) 06:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: Someone who has the name of Richard is often nicknamed Dick. I can find this useful as a nicer way of calling someone a dick. Tavix (talk) 02:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I have to ask whether your comment about "a nicer way [to call] someone a dick"—I could imagine that being a tagline : )—is April Fools Day-related... –Black Falcon (Talk) 02:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete since people are named Richard and they can't help that they are named Richard. This redirect disparges many subjects around the world while serving little good to the encyclopedia. Has this ever been used?  If the redirect were to a positive page I could see it lying around; but since not, its hard to see the creation of this redirect as anything but a self-reference.  Them  From  Space  03:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The purpose of this redirect is in the spirit of WP:CIVIL. As per the general pattern of the behavior in question, calling someone a "dick" outright may cause the criticism to be less well received. Of course it is not strictly necessary for the encyclopedia to function, but it has a social purpose. Separately (and in no ways an argument for or against it), I personally think it gives things character. However, my opinion for my vote lies firmly upon the other points I've brought up and not my personal musing. :-) אמר Steve Caruso 04:12, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. As someone whose name actually is Richard I find this redirect offensive and juvenile. Are we suggesting that calling somebody "a Richard" is a polite way of saying "you are a dick"? Are we suggesting that it's okay to say "Stop being a Richard" instead of "Stop being a dick"? Get rid of it, it serves no valid purpose. Maelin (Talk | Contribs) 04:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Could be insulting to people named Richard; in any case, this is an unlikely search term.  ♪Tempo  di Valse ♪  20:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Don't be a bitch → meta:Don't be a dick
The result of the discussion was delete both.--Aervanath (talk) 06:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Delete both. Wikipedia users should not be many things (at least while editing Wikipedia), but I maintain that we do not need handy redirects for every contingency (ass, slut, wanker, troglodyte, and so on... turn these into bluelinks at your own risk; I have a fish and I'm not afraid to use it ). There are any number of words and phrases that we could substitute in place of "dick", but we shouldn't ... for the kittens.
 * Also, Don't be a twat → Don't be a dick

For those who are interested in a more technical deletion rationale (though maybe you should see how you feel after one of these...), here we go: fairly random variations of the title of the target page, with no useful incoming links (also see here) or edit history worth preserving. Creators notified using RFDNote. –Black Falcon (Talk) 05:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Serves no foreseeable purpose than to insult other editors. Rockpock  e  t  06:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I created this in... 2007. Delete it.  Majorly  talk  12:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done (log). –Black Falcon (Talk) 17:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well just damn I was going to suggest this be retargeted to User:MZMcBride/Don't be a whiny bitch but that's been deleted :( --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - will just be used as a thinly veiled personal attack. bitch and dick are not synonymous. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete Bitch is a attack word, dick is good enough. Techman224  Talk  20:36, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NPA and other policies. An insult.  tempo di valse  [☎]  23:39, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

MOSCOW MULE → Xenosaga
The result of the discussion was delete--Aervanath (talk) 06:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC) This seems like an extremely unlikely search, when looking for Xenosaga. Nan oha A's Yu ri    Talk, My master 00:46, 31 March 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete this dates back to 2005 when a stub was created about an appearance of a robot of this name that appeared in one episode of Xenosaga. I think its safe to assume that this redirect isn't needed.  Them  From  Space  01:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as the phrase is not mentioned in either Xenosaga or Xenosaga Episode II: Jenseits von Gut und Böse; the redirect has no useful incoming links and no edit history worth preserving. –Black Falcon (Talk) 04:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, or retarget to Moscow Mule. TheJazzDalek (talk) 14:03, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The search function is case-insensitive for articles, like Moscow Mule, that have titles that are all initial caps, so it's not technically needed. –Black Falcon (Talk) 18:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per others.  tempo di valse  [☎]  23:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)