Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 May 8

May 8
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 8, 2009

Foundation Day (Great Britain) → British Day
The result of the discussion was Deleted. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Foundation Day is a completely made-up name that Mr Taz has invented, and not provided a single source to support. For more information see Talk:British Day. Suggest deleting this redirect. O Fenian (talk) 19:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * See comment below. This is not just nonsense but seems part of an ongoing "crusade"... Enaidmawr (talk) 21:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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Foundation Day (United Kingdom) → British Day
The result of the discussion was Deleted. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Foundation Day is a completely made-up name that Mr Taz has invented, and not provided a single source to support. For more information see Talk:British Day. Suggest deleting this redirect. O Fenian (talk) 19:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * What is more, this is at least the second time he has done this (i.e created these redirects). He uses these and similar redirects to give readers the impression that this and other invented days (e.g. the now deleted series "English Day", "Cornish Day", "Welsh Day" and "Scottish Day", redirects to 'Culture of England'/etc) actually exist and then inserts them in articles like National Day (see here). This is at best plain silly and at worst deliberately misleading. Another thing, he can't do so at the moment as the page has been locked, but the last 'Foundation Day (United Kingdom)' redirect was then used not only to take you to British Day from Foundation Day but also placed as a piped link in the British Day article: higly misleading and totally unacceptable. Something should be done about this and scores of similar edits by Mr Taz (I had about 70 of them speedily deleted a few weeks back). Enaidmawr (talk) 20:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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Redirects to special pages
The result of the discussion was Kept and converted to soft redirect. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:ABUSELOG → Special:AbuseLog

Another non-functional redirect to a special page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:37, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:Allpages → Special:Allpages

Another non-functional redirect to a special page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:Ancient pages → Special:Ancientpages

Another non-functional redirect to a special page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:IP probation watchlist → Special:Ipblocklist

Cross-namespace redirect to Special: page. These type of redirects don't work. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:MONO → Special:Mypage/monobook.js

Broken cross-namespace redirect to a Special: page. Redirects of this type just plain don't work. This one is so broken that Twinkle didn't even recognize it as a redirect! Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia:Deletion log/shortcut → Special:Log/delete

Another non-functional redirect to a special page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:32, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:DL → Special:Log/delete

Another non-functional redirect to a special page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:32, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:!Short articles → Special:Shortpages

Another non-functional redirect to a special page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:!Long articles → Special:Longpages

Another non-functional redirect to a special page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia:List users → Special:Listusers

Yet another non-functional redirect to a special page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Jeez, was all this really necessary? Just because the redirect doesn't work doesn't mean the page is non-functional: it gets the editor to where they want to be. Convert all to softredirect and urge against these spurious nominations in the future (they are entirely helpful redirects). –xeno talk 14:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There are many other such redirects that have not been listed here. I created some of these several years ago (but only one of those listed above) for two reasons:
 * I would sometimes forget to search for a special page in the Special: namespace and instead search in Wikipedia:.
 * Many special pages gave no indication of a talk page where one could discuss them. The Wikipedia: redirect pages provided convenient corresponding talk pages.
 * See also the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Special pages. - dcljr (talk) 18:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - talk pages may be useful (since special pages do not have talk pages). Change to soft-redirect, per User:Xeno. - jc37 19:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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 * Strong Delete all. We have to be very strict in Crossname redirects. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Says who? I think we should be a little more strict in redirects from the article namespace, but I don't see an issue redirects between our internal namespacen. Where's the harm? –xeno talk 18:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - At least some of these are mine, in user space, and deleting them would break the ClueBots' templated userpages. -- Cobi(t 16:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to split off, and close the ones in your userspace. –xeno <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 16:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Redirects in Cluebot's userspace
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was speedily kept as they are in userspace. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 16:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * <span id="User:ClueBot III/FLAG">User:ClueBot III/FLAG → Special:Log/makebot

Another non-functional redirect to a special page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * <span id="User:ClueBot II/FLAG">User:ClueBot II/FLAG → Special:Log/makebot

Another non-functional redirect to a special page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * <span id="User:ClueBot/FLAG">User:ClueBot/FLAG → Special:Log/makebot

Another non-functional redirect to a special page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Split from above and closed per Cobi's comment. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 16:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

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<span id="Wikipedia:Main Page/Special:Statistics">Wikipedia:Main Page/Special:Statistics → Special:Statistics
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Speedily deleted CSD G7 <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Another useless redirect to a special page. Delete because these redirects don't work. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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Primelocation → Daily Mail and General Trust
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Deleted. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Redirect from subsidiary company to parent company article. I get repeated complaints from new users that there is nothing on the target page about Primelocation. And they're right. There's nothing worth mentioning - all previous versions of this redirect were deleted under CSD A7, and the Trust being such a large company, no doubt has too many similarly non-notable subsidiaries. Even the section this redirect used to point to has been removed. Thus we won't be able to have info on Primelocation at the target page, and this redirect should be deleted as it only serves to confuse the reader. Kimchi.sg (talk) 08:37, 8 May 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nom, no purpose in a redirect if the subject isn't worth a mention in the target. Maybe salt too for multiple recreations. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 12:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:CatTree → Special:CategoryTree
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Kept & converted to soft redirect. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Another redirect to a special page. Precedent seems to indicate that these should be deleted, as none of them work due to technical restraints (i.e., typing in the shortcut dumps you at the actual redirect page instead of the target). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 04:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - As long as the WhatLinksHere links are replaced with the direct link (piped) to the special page. - jc37 04:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I had forgotten about the usage of these pages for talk pages. Change to soft-redirect as noted by User:Xeno. - jc37 19:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * KeepRedirects to special pages partly work, but they are not automatic, they are like a Redirect in a book.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Redirects to special pages don't work. — Gavia immer (talk) 13:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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 * Keep & convert to softredirect. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 14:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:CATTREE → Special:CategoryTree
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Kept and converted to soft redirect. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Another redirect to a special page. Precedent seems to indicate that these should be deleted, as none of them work due to technical restraints (i.e., typing in the shortcut dumps you at the actual redirect page instead of the target). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 04:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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 * Delete - As long as the WhatLinksHere links are replaced with the direct link (piped) to the special page. - jc37 04:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I had forgotten about the usage of these pages for talk pages. Change to soft-redirect as noted by User:Xeno. - jc37 19:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Redirects to special pages don't work. — Gavia immer (talk) 13:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep & convert to softredirect. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 14:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Block Log → Special:Log/block
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Kept and converted to soft redirect. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Another redirect to a special page. Precedent seems to indicate that these should be deleted, as none of them work due to technical restraints (i.e., typing in the shortcut dumps you at the actual redirect page instead of the target). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 04:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. Redirects to special pages don't work. — Gavia immer (talk) 13:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep & convert to softredirect. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 14:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - talk pages may be useful (since special pages do not have talk pages). Change to soft-redirect, per User:Xeno. - jc37 19:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

<span id="User:Alistairjh/Contributions">User:Alistairjh/Contributions → Special:Contributions/Alistairjh
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was keep, this is in userspace. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 14:46, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Another redirect to a special page. Precedent seems to indicate that these should be deleted, as none of them work due to technical restraints (i.e., typing in the shortcut dumps you at the actual redirect page instead of the target). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 04:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

<span id="User:-Zeus-/c">User:-Zeus-/c → Special:Contributions/-Zeus-
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Never mind  Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Another redirect to a special page. Precedent seems to indicate that these should be deleted, as none of them work due to technical restraints (i.e., typing in the shortcut dumps you at the actual redirect page instead of the target). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 04:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Since when am I not allowed to create my own redirects? -Zeus-u 04:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, when they don't work? Redirects to special pages don't work at all. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 04:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It does create a link, however, and can be useful to save space when creating a signature. Regardless, who cares?  It's my userpage. -Zeus-u 04:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Answered on user's talk page. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Copied from talk:
 * I've been RFDing these because redirects to special pages just plain don't work (i.e., if you type in the shortcut, it dumps you on the shortcut page instead of actually redirecting). Precedent seems to be that we should get rid of redirects to special pages because of their broken nature. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 04:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How about this page? User:-Zeus-/Sandbox/1? it all depends on your definition of 'works'.  It does provide a link to the special page.  What if I hardcoded a link?  what's the difference? I understand removing the WP: redirects, but I don't see what business you have coming to my userpage.  Is there a policy on this? -Zeus-u 04:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've RFD'd redirects from other userpages before without question, so I thought this was non controversial. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 12:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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<span id="User:-Zeus-/Contributions">User:-Zeus-/Contributions → Special:Contributions/-Zeus-
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Never mind  Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC) Another redirect to a special page. Precedent seems to indicate that these should be deleted, as none of them work due to technical restraints (i.e., typing in the shortcut dumps you at the actual redirect page instead of the target). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 04:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Since when am I not allowed to create my own redirects? -Zeus-u 04:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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<span id="User:-Zeus-/Contrib">User:-Zeus-/Contrib → Special:Contributions/-Zeus-
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Never mind  Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 14:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC) Another redirect to a special page. Precedent seems to indicate that these should be deleted, as none of them work due to technical restraints (i.e., typing in the shortcut dumps you at the actual redirect page instead of the target). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 04:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Since when am I not allowed to create my own redirects? -Zeus-u 04:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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<span id="User talk:DragonHawk/Archives">User talk:DragonHawk/Archives → Special:Prefixindex/User talk:DragonHawk/Archive
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was speedy delete per U1.  So Why  13:32, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Another redirect to a special page. Precedent seems to indicate that these should be deleted, as none of them work due to technical restraints (i.e., typing in the shortcut dumps you at the actual redirect page instead of the target). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 04:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I've db-user'ed the redirect. I created it a long time ago when I migrated from manually maintained talk archives to the standard form.  I had long forgotten about it, and never use it. •  But, looking at other discussion on this page, I have to say: I don't see the point of combing through user pages looking for redirects to special pages.  It seems like pointless busy work to me.  They're not hurting anything.  Some people obviously find them useful.  What's the benefit to this?  — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 12:56, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not all of them are out of userpages. I just don't see a purpose in them if they're b0rked. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 13:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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