Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 October 2

October 2
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 2, 2009

Season of the Pumpkin (album)
The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 17:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * → House of Krazees (links to redirect)

Page doesn't exist, redirects to band's page Львівське (talk) 21:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. Redirects of albums to the article covering the band that recorded/released it is standard procedure; this precedent has been repeatedly reinforced by RfDs over the past few years. The redirect can be easily overwritten with/by a standalone article at any time if the new article can demonstrate the notability of the album. B.Wind (talk) 00:55, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. While Season of the Pumpkin should (and does) exist for the reasons B.Wind points out, the "(album)" disambiguator makes this one an unlikely search term and as such an unneeded redirect. Jafeluv (talk) 09:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

It Is What It Is
The result of the discussion was speedy deleted per G8, the target page was recently PROD deleted. Jamie  S93  17:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * → It Is What It Is (ABN album) (links to redirect)

Deletion; on the grounds that the redirect serves no purpose. There used to be an article here, which didn't have any sources. It was deleted and turned into a redirect to a page that didn't follow naming conventions and also didn't have sources, which was recently PRODed. KV5 ( Talk  •  Phils ) 11:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

2009 Japan Grand Prix
The result of the discussion was delete all. Closedmouth (talk) 06:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC) Delete all Redirects like 2009 Malaysian Formula BMW Pacific Round aren't encyclopedic, and redirects like Singapur Grand Prix, 2009 Japanese GP or 2009 Australije grand prix are incorrect with the Grand Prix standard style. --Francesco Betti Sorbelli (talk) 09:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * → 2009 Japanese Grand Prix (links to redirect)
 * → 2010 Formula One season (links to redirect)
 * → 2008 Singapore Grand Prix (links to redirect)
 * → Singapore Grand Prix (links to redirect)
 * → 2009 Formula One season (links to redirect)
 * → Guia Circuit (links to redirect)
 * → Okayama International Circuit (links to redirect)
 * → Marina Bay Street Circuit (links to redirect)
 * → Sentul International Circuit (links to redirect)
 * → Sepang International Circuit (links to redirect)
 * → 2009 Australian Grand Prix (links to redirect)
 * → 2009 Japanese Grand Prix (links to redirect)
 * Note without recommendation. No reason for deletion (or keeping, for that matter) has been given by nom. This can be interpreted as a justification for a speedy close of this discussion. B.Wind (talk) 15:45, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Update. Nom added a justification after my previous post. Still no recommendation from me, at least for now.B.Wind (talk) 00:47, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all, per nom. DH85868993 (talk) 03:34, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: I have advertised this discussion at WT:MOTOR and WT:F1, in the hope of gaining further opinion. DH85868993 (talk) 01:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. Some of a few contributions from an editor rapidly becoming a serial pest, aparently inadvertently because of young age. --Falcadore (talk) 03:36, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all Very unlikely errors for someone searching. 4u1e (talk) 18:43, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per 4u1e.  Royal broil  00:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Mainstream Chart
The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 18:01, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * → Rock Songs (links to redirect)

Confusing redirect. There are two charts with Mainstream in the name: Mainstream Rock Tracks and Top 40 Mainstream, both of which are markedly different from each other and Rock Songs. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 01:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Comment. Wouldn't it be sensible to make Mainstream Chart a disambiguation page that includes all three links? — ξ xplicit  03:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem would be twofold: none of these titles have "Mainstream Chart" in its title, and there is no consensus definition of what makes a "mainstream" music chart, which makes the creation of a possible list article problematic. B.Wind (talk) 00:59, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - "mainstream" is in the eye of the beholder. B.Wind (talk) 07:20, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Cobalt/Temp
The result of the discussion was history merge and delete all Graham 87 10:03, 13 October 2009 (UTC) Delete these chemistry-related "temporary" redirects. I am not sure if I have all the "temps", being that there are 116 known elements (with one more in dispute), but these were the ones I've found in Wikipedia so far... 147.70.242.54 (talk) 01:25, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * → Cobalt (links to redirect)
 * → Lanthanum (links to redirect) 
 * → Cerium (links to redirect) 
 * → Sodium (links to redirect) 
 * → Nitrogen (links to redirect) 
 * → Hafnium (links to redirect) 
 * → Thorium (links to redirect) 
 * → Molybdenum (links to redirect) 
 * → Nickel (links to redirect) 
 * → Sulfur (links to redirect) <span id="Sulfur/Temp">
 * → Manganese (links to redirect) <span id="Manganese/Temp">
 * → Vanadium (links to redirect) <span id="Vanadium/Temp">
 * → Iron (links to redirect) <span id="Iron/Temp">
 * → Carbon (links to redirect) <span id="Carbon/Temp">
 * → Chromium (links to redirect) <span id="Chromium/Temp">
 * → Oxygen (links to redirect) <span id="Oxygen/Temp">
 * → Selenium (links to redirect) <span id="Selenium/Temp">
 * → Zinc (links to redirect) <span id="Zinc/Temp">
 * → Hydrogen (links to redirect) <span id="Hydrogen/Temp">
 * → Niobium (links to redirect) <span id="Niobium/Temp">
 * I've appended -- that should be all the Element/Temp redirects. -- ToET 23:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * History merge, per this edit at cobalt. Probably all the pages need to be treated similarly, and I plan to work on these either later today or tomorrow. Graham 87 01:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Done up to nitrogen for now. Graham 87 09:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Done up to Vanadium before my Internet connection went down last night. I'll do the rest after I get back from a holiday on Friday. Graham 87 05:28, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * All the rest done. Graham 87 10:03, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Consciousness causes collapse
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Retarget to Quantum mind/body problem. This article at least mentions the subject. Ruslik_ Zero 08:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * → Quantum mysticism (links to redirect)

Consciousness causes collapse, a supposed interpretation of quantum mechanics, was previously AFD'd with a consensus to merge to quantum mysticism. While many argue that CCC is an example of "mysticism", the relevant material is no longer in the target article. Given the number of incoming links (from articles that tend to treat CCC as a viable interpretation), the redirect is now uninformative. Another article with information about "consciousness causes collapse" has been created at Quantum mind/body problem. All of these articles seem to be contentious, but something needs to be done about this redirect. Either Delete or Retarget to Quantum mind/body problem. 140.247.103.56 (talk) 01:07, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Alternatively, allow recreation of the article, which should never have been deleted in the first place.Likebox (talk) 01:25, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment See Articles for deletion/Consciousness causes collapse for how the redirect got here in the first place. On reconsideration, my preference is to Retarget to Quantum mind/body problem, as long as that article exists. Actually, I'm not sure anyone actually objects to that, but the redirect is full-protected. 140.247.103.56 (talk) 02:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment I believe that our license requires that the CCC history be kept as long as the relevant material is in the history as having been merged to QM, even if subsequent editing removes it or changes it beyond recognition. The matter of targeting the redirect is being discussed here, here, and a little bit here. As nobody is arguing for outright deletion, just retargeting, can we speedy close this? - 2/0 (cont.) 15:47, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * While deletion appears not to be the issue anymore, we still have a discussion on the fate of a fully protected redirect and a proposal to retarget it. Since no retargeting has occurred, the redirect has not been overwritten, and there has been no withdrawal by the nominating editor, this discussion must run its course. WP:Speedy keep does not apply to this right now. B.Wind (talk) 16:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Comment I feel it should be directed to Quantum mind, just as Quantum consciousness redirects there as well. The phrase "Consciousness causes collapse" is a central discussion to the metaphysics and theories of people that study that field, including notable professors, such as Dr. Penrose. While there are particular theories based on the subject, the Quantum mind article is broader than just one theory, such as Orch-OR. To redirect CCC to any other place would be uninformative. For example, the opening phrase of quantum mind: "Quantum mind theories are based on the premise that quantum mechanics is necessary to fully understand the mind and brain, particularly concerning an explanation of consciousness." The article's subject is theory that relates to consciousness, mind, and quantum mechanics. If the original authors of CCC and Wigner's interpretation wish, they should cross-link and reference their material in relation to the Quantum mind article, rather than attempt to "bait and switch" through a redirect. Deleting it would be pointless as well, since those interested parties would recreate it or something similiar. -- ☯ Lightbound ☯   talk   20:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

<span id="Rendition/Temp">Rendition/Temp
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Histmerge where appropriate, then delete. Jafeluv (talk) 08:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Delete all. Another collection of "temporary" redirects whose expiration dates have long passed. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 00:38, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * → Rendition (links to redirect)
 * → Desu (links to redirect) <span id="Desu/Temp">
 * → Venus (links to redirect) <span id="Venus/temp">
 * → Poképark (links to redirect) <span id="Pokepark/Temp">
 * → Simulated annealing (links to redirect) <span id="Simulated annealing/Temp">
 * → Colored dissolved organic matter (links to redirect) <span id="CDOM (temp)">
 * → Potential (links to redirect) <span id="Potential/temp">
 * → Omics (links to redirect) <span id="Omics/temp">
 * → Tantra (links to redirect) <span id="Tantra/temp">
 * → Pharaoh (links to redirect) <span id="Pharaoh/Temp">
 * → Mythology (links to redirect) <span id="Myth/temp">
 * → Circumcision (links to redirect) <span id="Circumcision/temp">
 * → Deuterostome (links to redirect) <span id="Deuterostome/Temp">
 * → Baseball (links to redirect) <span id="Baseball/temp">
 * → Nirvana (disambiguation) (links to redirect) <span id="Nirvana (temp disambiguation)">
 * → Savin (photocopiers) (links to redirect)
 * → Webcam (links to redirect) <span id="Webcam/Temp">
 * → Closeted (links to redirect) <span id="Closeted/Temp">
 * → Megleno-Romanians (links to redirect) <span id="Meglenites(temp)">
 * → Sea star (links to redirect)
 * → Münster (links to redirect) <span id="Muenster (temp)">

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Treat on a case-by-case basis - The fate of some of these redirects is unimportant because they have no significant history or incoming links. But some of them,  such as Venus/Temp, have long page histories that could be moved to other places or history merged. In the case of baseball/Temp, which is on my watchlist, it has several incoming links. Deuterostome/Temp was part of a complex history merge I did several months ago, and I'll speedy delete it now; I usually try to delete any "/Temp" pages I create because they usually contain junk revisions, but I obviously forgot about it that time. Graham 87  01:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete those with trivial history; histmerge the others into another redirect, then delete the "temporary" pages.B.Wind (talk) 04:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I just shuffled the order so that the eight which have never been anything but redirects, and can be safely deleted without further inspection, are at the bottom of the list:, , , , , , , . -- ToET 02:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

<span id="Afridi (temp)">Afridi (temp)
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete. Jafeluv (talk) 09:17, 11 October 2009 (UTC)


 * → Afridi (links to redirect)

Delete - a year is an awfully long time for a temporary redirect to exist. Nobody will look for it by this name. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 00:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete - since the redirect was formed by a move to the current target, no significant history would be lost by the deletion of this temporary page. B.Wind (talk) 16:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Ciara's 3rd Album: Untitled
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete. Jafeluv (talk) 09:16, 11 October 2009 (UTC)


 * → Fantasy Ride (links to redirect)

Unlikely search term. The title of the album, Fantasy Ride, was revealed quite some time ago and the album itself was released back in May. No reason to keep this redirect around. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  00:03, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. Essentially the nomination is asking for the deletion of a temporary redirect. Since Ciara's third album has a title, this name is now redundant and misleading. Deletion is best here. B.Wind (talk) 07:18, 7 October 2009 (UTC)