Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 August 11

August 11
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 11, 2010

Saft Groupe S.A.



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete. Jafeluv (talk) 13:06, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * → Johnson Controls (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Misleading redirect to unrelated company. Only relation is a joint venture in Milwaukee Marcus   Qwertyus   20:46, 11 August 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete - better as a red link. Bridgeplayer (talk) 21:16, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Keystone Building (Aurora, Illinois)



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 * The result of the discussion was speedy closed since this has been converted to an article and is therefore out of the scope of RFD. NAC. Bridgeplayer (talk) 00:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * → Stolp Island (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Who will search for a building? WikiCopter RadioChecklistFormerly AirplanePro 17:52, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - mentioned in the article. No valid grounds for deletion have been specified in the nomination. Bridgeplayer (talk) 18:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep – The Keystone Building is individually listed on the National Register of Historic Places, and thus is notable enough for its own article. However, until that article is made, it makes sense to redirect the article to the historical district where it is found. Teemu08 (talk) 18:30, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Teemu08. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:57, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Teemu08 is right. - Richard Cavell (talk) 11:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - If there are no objections, there is now an article at Keystone Building (Aurora, Illinois)/sandbox, which can me moved in to fill the redirect. :) (Didn't want to disrupt any processes here or anything, so I'll wait for comments.) Avic ennasis  @ 23:28, 3 Elul 5770 / 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - good work! Go ahead and boldly move it over the redirect. Converting redirects to notable, sourced articles can be done at any time and is a 'Good Thing'. Once it is an article, this RFD will be speedy closed since the page would then be out of scope and the RFD moot. Bridgeplayer (talk) 23:42, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - just tried; it needs an admin to step in and move it. Bridgeplayer (talk) 23:45, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Moved. Let me know if anyone has a problem with this action. :) Thanks. Avic ennasis  @ 00:26, 4 Elul 5770 / 14 August 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

Hotel Aurora



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 * The result of the discussion was converted to disambiguation page; now out of scope of RFD. NAC. Bridgeplayer (talk) 19:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * → Stolp Island (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Who will search for a hotel? WikiCopter RadioChecklistFormerly AirplanePro 17:40, 11 August 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Convert to disambiguation page - in answer to the question by the nominator, I guess he better ask the people who have already used this redirect. Convert to disamb page with Aurora Hotel (Worcester, Massachusetts). Bridgeplayer (talk) 18:17, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation created as original redirect creator. Teemu08 (talk) 18:49, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Graham Building



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 * The result of the discussion was converted to disambiguation page; now out of scope of RFD. NAC. Bridgeplayer (talk) 19:07, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * → Stolp Island (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Who will search for a building? WikiCopter RadioChecklistFormerly AirplanePro 17:40, 11 August 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Convert to disambiguation page with Birthplace of Ronald Reagan and Jackson Graham Building. Bridgeplayer (talk) 18:22, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation created as original redirect creator. Teemu08 (talk) 18:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Stolp Woolen Mill Store



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 * The result of the discussion was Keep -- Taelus  ( Talk ) 14:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * → Stolp Island (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Who will search for a mill store? WikiCopter RadioChecklistFormerly AirplanePro 17:30, 11 August 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep - mentioned in the article. No valid grounds for deletion have been specified in the nomination. Bridgeplayer (talk) 18:19, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep – see Keystone Building above. Teemu08 (talk) 18:32, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Teemu08. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Aurora Elks Lodge No. 705



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 * The result of the discussion was Keep  Taelus  ( Talk ) 14:22, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * → Stolp Island (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Who will search for a lodge? WikiCopter RadioChecklistFormerly AirplanePro 17:30, 11 August 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep - mentioned in the article. No valid grounds for deletion have been specified in the nomination. Bridgeplayer (talk) 18:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep – see Keystone Building above. Teemu08 (talk) 18:32, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Teemu08. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Create footballer wiki



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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted by Syrthiss. NAC. Bridgeplayer (talk) 14:53, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * → Ken Essien (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Redirect left over from an incorrectly-named new article -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Tagged as speedy under WP:CSD (implausible typo). No need to have a discussion about it.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:44, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

Cold shoulder (phrase)



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 * The result of the discussion was Keep.  — fetch  ·  comms   01:01, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * → Cold shoulder (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Unlikely search term, cold shoulder (phrase) moved to primary cold shoulder creating this vestige. Si Trew (talk) 10:53, 11 August 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep. Seems harmless. bd2412  T 14:48, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - doesn't meet WP:RFD, harmless, no benefit in deleting. Bridgeplayer (talk) 15:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Yesterday, "Cold Shoulder" was a disambiguation page, with links to "Cold shoulder (song)" and "Cold shoulder (phrase)", which explains the somewhat unlikely search term. I moved the page, which is why the redirect still exists.  On a related note, I've nominated a move for Cold shoulder (song), see discussion. –Schmloof  17:54, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Shante Broadus



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 * The result of the discussion was retargeted to Snoop Dogg. Non-controversial retargeting. NAC. Bridgeplayer (talk) 15:21, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * → Doggystyle (links to redirect • [ history] • )

This is Snoop Dogg's wife. There was an AfD last year that ended in the article being redirected to Doggystyle, but that doesn't make sense to me. It should instead be re-targeted to Snoop Dogg's article. Erpert (let's talk about it) 07:47, 11 August 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

Roger D. Allen



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 22:04, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * → Continental Airlines Flight 11 (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Delete as an unnecessary redirect. If someone wanted to search for this person, they wouldn't find any information about this guy as he is not mentioned in the target article. Tavix | Talk  04:52, 11 August 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete as confusing. Not only not mentioned at the target but, so far as I can see, never has been. No other retarget. Bridgeplayer (talk) 15:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:FOOTBALLPLAYERWHOSHALLNOTBENAMED
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 * The result of the discussion was Delete.  — fetch  ·  comms   01:04, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * → Don& (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * Note - see this AFD for additional history 7  03:59, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - this redirect is a joke that appears to be a reference to Plaxico Burress, who shot himself in the thigh, created in conjunction with this edit in response to these edits.  —  Jeff G.  ツ  03:40, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep as creator per WIKIPEDIANSAREALLOWEDTOHAVESENSESOFHUMOR. :-) Besides, I've seen other people use the redirect since then, so it's (slightly) useful, and it's only a BLP issue if you already know the history. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 03:44, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't already know the history, but thought it was enough of a BLP issue for someone to figure out the history.   —  Jeff G.  ツ  18:37, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - the "it's only a BLP issue if you already know the history" argument only works if you assume nobody else will search to try to figure out the history. To the contrary, human nature means that it is probably more likely that this secretive long-cut will invite people to try to figure out who you are referring to.   7  03:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep (as PROD decliner, though it shouldn't really matter since PROD is not for redirects...) Assertions that this are a BLP issue are themselves disruptive WP:CRYBLP.  It's useful, used, humorous, and no policy-based argument for its deletion has been advanced.  No WP:R apply, and WP:R #5 applies at a minimum. Jclemens (talk) 04:49, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Question: In what way is this either useful (it's not a shortcut) or is it used (I see no relevant links other than these discussions)?  7  23:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Plaxico was deleted on BLP grounds in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Plaxico (2nd nomination).   —  Jeff G.  ツ  18:37, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

While it isn't suitable for inclusion in the shortcut box, it seems entirely harmless to me. The BLP policy is important, but applying it here is quite a stretch. —David Levy 07:52, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Jeff attempted to add this redirect to the page's shortcut box (which already exceeded the coded limit of five), and I explained that "an unwieldy shortcut created as a joke should not listed." He apparently misunderstood this to mean that the shortcut shouldn't exist (and immediately requested its deletion).
 * Plaxico was deleted on BLP grounds in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Plaxico (2nd nomination).   —  Jeff G.  ツ  18:37, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And probably rightfully so, but this one en't that one. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:40, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "Wikipedia:FOOTBALLPLAYERWHOSHALLNOTBENAMED" is an obscure meta-reference to that situation. Even if someone goes to the trouble of tracking down its origins, this would merely establish that Mr. Burress was ribbed in the past (the same information conveyed via that archived deletion debate).  Keep in mind that he did not shoot himself in the foot, so unlike a redirect bearing his name, there is no direct connection to the individual.  —David Levy 22:40, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete - not used at Don't shoot yourself in the foot. Redundant. Bridgeplayer (talk) 15:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - tongue-in-cheek inside joke that still ridicules a living person (albeit in a roundabout way). – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 15:44, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, per xeno. Marcus   Qwertyus   23:27, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. per WP:RFD number 3. BLP issue and lame insider joke.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete (switched from "keep"). Upon further consideration, I've changed my mind.  While the possibility of this redirect being connected to Mr. Burress in a disparaging manner is remote, its utility is essentially zero.  (Its use on a handful of pages only means that the trivial joke has been repeated a few times.)  Let's err on the side of caution.  —David Levy 03:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Humour definitely does have a place, but this is not it. BLP concerns are no joking matter.  Chzz  ► 16:38, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

11:59
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Speedy close Not a deletion issue, easily converted to dab. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 01:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * → 11:59 (Star Trek: Voyager) (links to redirect • [ history] • )

deletion; created an article 11:59 (Ryan Star album) which is difficult to search with this redirect - WP:RFD :1 --Sk4170 (talk) 00:49, 11 August 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Convert to disambiguation page - seems pretty obvious to me. Bridgeplayer (talk) 01:10, 11 August 2010 (UTC)