Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 January 18

January 18
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 18, 2010

BR Class 152
The result of the discussion was Delete ~ Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 14:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → British Rail Class 156 (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Procedural nomination; had been listed at AfD (Articles for deletion/BR Class 152). Original nomination rationale was: "Non-existent British Rail class of diesel multiple unit. Also this article is orphaned. Sunil060902 (talk) 18:05, 18 January 2010 (UTC)" The AfD had two delete !votes which were direct results of the article having been blanked and therefore I have not copied them here (they may be viewed by viewing the archived AfD). As a procedural re-nominator, I am neutral. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 18:40, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

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 * Delete. If it is a non-existent class then it should still be deleted.  JBsupreme (talk) 18:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article is about 156, not 152. Non-existent, so it should be deleted. The Arbiter  ★★★  19:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

As of
The result of the discussion was Keep ~ Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 14:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Effective date (links to redirect • [ history] • )

The page was created as a DAB pointing to Redirects for_discussion/Log/2006 December 7, Template:As of, and As of. (This may have been an attempt to avoid CNR; see Talk:As of.) The DAB was prodded; Effective date was then created and As of redirected to it. I can see no need for Effective date (a dictionary definition) or As of, as neither has encyclopedic content. Cnilep (talk) 17:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep These concepts are significant in data modelling and systems designs, as documented in Data model patterns for example. If Cnilep has no need for this information, he is free to move on. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep as long as Effective date exists. — the Man in Question (in question)  19:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep For my reasons given in Talk:As of; still no satisfactory way for new editors to get to As of if they were not aware of it. Petersam (talk) 21:31, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, or retarget somewhere more appropriate. The phrase "as of" just doesn't mean the same thing as "effective date."  It's not even particularly close.  "As of December, the petition had garnered 5,000 signatures"—is there any way to reword or rephrase this in terms of an "effective date"?  I don't think so.  "As of yesterday, she had not been heard from."  On what date does that one become effective?  I can't imagine someone typing "as of" into the searchbox and finding the article Effective date a useful result.  The claims above (vague "significan[ce] in data modelling," and nostalgia for  → WP:As of) don't in any way support redirecting as of to effective date.   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 23:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see A manual of style for contract drafting in which the usage as of date is equivalent to effective date. Q.E.D. Colonel Warden (talk) 00:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you're misreading it. The manual says that attorneys sometimes, "as a matter of professional courtesy," write "as of (date)" to indicate that a party signed the contract on a date other than that given in the introductory clause.  Nowehere does the manual say that a contract's effective date is the same as such an "as of" signing date; and in fact a contract becomes effective whenever it says it does.  It could become effective a year later, or it could already have been in effect if the "as of" signer's assent were not necessary.  Section 2.19—on the very same page you linked—says as much. If your manual shows anything, it's that "as of" does not mean "effective date."    Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 01:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The context is when the contract is written to become effective upon signature. The as of formulation is then used to make the nominal date what is wanted.  This is the effective date concept. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

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Tápiószele
The result of the discussion was speedy close per request of. Redirect has been changed to an article. Non-admin closure. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:22, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Pest County (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Tápiószele is a new town (formerly a village) in Pest County in Hungary. Every Hungarian towns have their own article, (or still not have one), but only Tápiószele is redirected to the county. I think it would be useful to delete it, because a blue link shows it is already written, but it isn't. A red link would be better.--Perfectmiss (talk) 17:47, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I have changed this to an article. There was no good reason to delete the redirect but I thought it tidier to just change it. Can someone please speedy close this now as keep. Polargeo (talk) 14:31, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

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Floating Market
The result of the discussion was at today's RfD page. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Markets in Bangkok (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Delete. As argued at Talk:Markets in Bangkok, only one "floating market" is actually in Bangkok; the vast majority are located in other provinces and other countries, Vietnam being one of them. The redirect, as it exists, obstructs the reader from locating actual articles involving such markets themselves. Paul_012 (talk) 17:18, 18 January 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Suggestion Why don't you make a List of floating markets put the wikilinks and locations of all of the floating markets on wikipedia in there and redirect to it. Seems a sensible thing to do. Polargeo (talk) 16:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Amundsen Ice Plain
The result of the discussion was at RfD 2010-01-25. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Amundsen Sea (links to redirect • [ history] • )

The feature does not exist. It is therefore not clear what it should redirect to. Therefore likely to cause confusion. Not a likely search term, so not useful. Existance of feature seems to hinge on one source, a 2006 book by Tim Flanery. As an expert on the area I can say that his reference to this feature is certainly incorrect. this leaves us with a misleading redirect originating from a single incorrect source. Polargeo (talk) 14:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. The source might not actually be incorrect, because I added the information to the article by memory from I book I read. When I go to the library again, I'll try to check the book, as well as the name of the feature as I might have remembered it incorrectly, although the contents of the book are available online, but it did show that in a 2004 study that the collapse of this feature is likely to lead to a sea level rise of 1.3m. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 13:03, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No I don't think you are wrong it is the source. Searching for the phrase on google books gets one hit for this particular book. Polargeo (talk) 13:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

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"plaster spraying"



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete per CSD:R3- Recently created implausible redirect; CSD:G6- Non-contriversial clean-up/House-keeping. --Taelus (talk) 13:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * → Plaster spraying (links to redirect • [ history] • )

I created this redirect in moving the target to make the page title more in line with the MoS. Nothing links to the redirect, as per Special:whatlinkshere, and it is highly unlikely as a search term; as such I believe it should be deleted. Sorry for any trouble, it's my first time moving a page. Arcendet (talk) 04:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete, you could probably tag it as speedy deletion for housekeeping, especially as consensus is against such redirects. --Taelus (talk) 12:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I tagged it with dbG6, if declined it may be useful to bundle this with all the other quotation RfDs. --Taelus (talk) 12:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

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"40" (song)
The result of the discussion was Delete, except "Couples" (album), "everybody dies", "Es reiten die Toten so schnell" (or: the Vampyre sucking at his own Vein), "Heroes" (song), "Love and Theft", "No Flashlight" Songs of the Fulfilled Night, "The Perfect Drug" Versions, "Them", "Them" (King Diamond album) as they appear to actually be the name of the albums/songs in question, and "Ringo" since it is very highly viewed. ~ Amory ( u •  t  •  c ) 02:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → 40 (song) (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * "40" (U2 song)
 * “A Lifetime”
 * "A Man Needs a Maid"
 * "A Yo"
 * "All That I Got (The Make Up Song)"
 * "Already Gone" (Kelly Clarkson song)
 * "already gone" (kelly clarkson song)
 * "AM:PM" (album)
 * "Amor de Madre"
 * 'Angel of Death'
 * "Atlanta GA"
 * "Baila Conmigo"Rita Lee
 * "BE"
 * "Better"
 * "Body On Me"
 * 'Cassie'
 * "City on a Hill" (album)
 * "Coconut"
 * “Cosmopolitan Life”
 * "Couples" (album)
 * "Cowboy Casanova"
 * "Crazy (Supertramp song)"
 * "Cry Baby" (Janis Joplin song)
 * "dancing with the devil"
 * "Death to the Daleks!"
 * 'Desmond Child and Rouge'
 * "Don't Go" (Hothouse Flowers song)
 * "Downtown"
 * "Dumky" Trio
 * “Eight Days of Hanukkah”
 * "Es reiten die Toten so schnell" (or: the Vampyre sucking at his own Vein)
 * "everybody dies"
 * "Everything You Know Is Wrong"
 * "Floods of Tears"/"Yasouka"
 * "Flyaway"
 * "Freedom"
 * "Further Complications." (Jarvis Cocker song)
 * "Gameproof"
 * "Get Blown Away"
 * "Good Ride Cowboy"
 * "Good to Be a Gangsta"
 * "Goodbye"
 * "Happy Birthday"
 * "Help!" (song)
 * "Hero"
 * "Heroes" (song)
 * 'Himno a Flores'
 * "Hips Don't Lie"
 * "How Low Can You Go" (Ludacris song)
 * "I Found Love (Now That I Have Found You)"
 * "I Miss You"
 * "I Play Dead"
 * "I Want That"
 * "I'll Try Anything"
 * "I'm All Over It"
 * "In And Out Of Love"
 * "In The City"
 * 'It’s A Humpty Dumpty Thing'
 * "La tortura"
 * "Let Loose" (Marc Mysterio song)
 * "Listen Up"
 * "Livin' la Vida Loca" (Spanish Version)
 * "Living on the Ceiling"
 * "Loaded"
 * "Look Again"
 * "Love and Theft"
 * "LP5" (forthcoming Massive Attack album)
 * "Magic"
 * "Mama"
 * "Meet El Presidente"
 * "Merry Mailman"
 * "Moonlight" Sonata
 * "Move"
 * "Move" Q-Tip Song
 * "My President"
 * "Natural"
 * "Never Gonna Give You Up"
 * "Never Miss A Beat"
 * "New World/Truth〜最後の真実〜"
 * "Night Train"
 * "No"
 * 'No, After You Sir...' An Introduction To You Am I
 * "No Flashlight" Songs of the Fulfilled Night
 * "Ode to Deodorant"/"Brothers & Sisters"
 * "Ode to Deodorant"/"Brothers + Sisters"
 * "Ode to Deodorant/Brothers & Sisters"
 * "Oedipus Rex"
 * "One More Pill"
 * "One Thing Leads 2 Another"
 * 'Outer South'
 * "Pants Hang Low"
 * "Per Sempre"
 * "Pictures"
 * 'Pills, Thrills N Bellyaches'
 * "Powder Blue"
 * 'Prowler 88'
 * "Q"
 * "Q" (AAA)
 * 'Ready, Steady, Go
 * "Red"
 * "Reminisce Cafe"
 * "Repossessions"
 * "Ring Around the Roses"
 * "Ringo"
 * "Roundabout" (song)
 * "RT"- The Life and Times of Richard Thompson
 * 'Sex and the City' Movie
 * "She Wears Red Feathers (And a Huly Huly Skirt)"
 * "Si j'avais au moins..."
 * "Sing" (Jim Bianco album)
 * "SINGERS"
 * "Single"
 * "Smoked" / "Glass Breaker"
 * "Step On"
 * "Suerte"
 * 'Sundown'
 * "Sweet and Wild"
 * "Take You Home"
 * "Tears"
 * 'Termination Bliss Extended'
 * "The Any Day Now EP"
 * "The Bonfire/Campfire/Don't Like Me Now"
 * "The Brave Don't Run"
 * "The Cleansing"
 * "The Greatest Man That Ever Lived (Variations on a Shaker Hymn)"
 * "The Mighty Quinn"
 * "The Monster Song"
 * "The Newborn EP"
 * "The Perfect Drug" Versions
 * "The Power of One (Donna Summer song)"
 * 'The Saint Louis Blues'
 * "The Soldier's Song"
 * "The Sun & The Neon Light"
 * 'The St. Louis Blues'
 * 'The St Louis Blues'
 * "the trumpet shall sound"
 * "The World Football Phone-In"
 * "Them"
 * "Them" (King Diamond album)
 * "This Perfect Life"
 * "Tricycle" (song)
 * "Truly, Truly Fair"
 * "Turn It Up" Song
 * "Two of Us"
 * "Underdogz" EP
 * "Undisclosed Desires"
 * "Up" (The Saturdays song)
 * "Voyager" - The Jugglers of Jusa
 * "Wake Up Call (Hayden Panettiere song)"
 * "Walking Dead"
 * "Weekend Love" featuring Tony Rebel
 * "What Is It About Me"
 * "What U Hear"
 * "When You Close Your Eyes"
 * "Whenever You Need Somebody" (Lonely Hearts Mix)
 * "Whoa!"
 * “Wild Seed, Wild Flower”
 * 'within'
 * "Wrap U Around Me"
 * "You and Me" (theme song)
 * 'You Raise Me Up-The Best of Aled Jones'
 * "You're Gonna Go Far, Kid"
 * 'You've Gotta Fight (For Your Right To Party)'
 * "There Goes My Baby" (Charlie Wilson song)

Music and audio works surrounded by quotes. Delete per WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 January 11, WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 January 11, WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 December 28, and WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 December 28. As with WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 December 29, quotation marks have no place around a name (or around almost any article title, for that matter). Illy conceived and in danger of setting precedent. A violation of TITLE. Most if not all are artefacts of pagemoves. Searching for something in quotation marks will turn up the same result anyhow (for example, searching for "United States" will take you straight to United States). (No works which actually use quotation marks in their names have been listed here.) — the Man in Question (in question)  01:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nom, with my congratulations for doing all this cleanup work.  Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 23:45, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Look at the title of this page: WP:MOSTITLE and in particular the section headed "Quotation marks".  Does anyone think that a new editor reading that might infer that song etc titles should be in quotation marks even in the article name?  Might a note be placed there to explain that the policy outlined does not apply to article titles?  Sussexonian (talk) 00:04, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, delete all. Sussexonian (talk) 00:04, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all - astonishing. JBsupreme (talk) 19:58, 19 January 2010 (UTC)