Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 January 5

January 5
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 5, 2010

Englandland
The result of the discussion was Delete, including those in the unopposed addendum. ~ Amory ( u •  t  •  c ) 02:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → England (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Nonsense. 13 pageviews in November. — The Man in Question (in question)  05:45, 26 December 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory ( u •  t  •  c ) 23:54, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Adding "land" to a country name is common practice in some YouTube circles, such as Americaland etc. Even when the country already has a "land" suffix. --Billpg (talk) 23:30, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean they are using it in a serious enough context that someone might actually think they are referring to a real place. Not every kind of argot should be a redirect. — The Man in Question (in question)  21:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't feel strongly enough to vote keep. I'm just saying there are communities of people who use this name. If that should count for anything or not, I'll leave up to people who do feel strongly enough. --Billpg (talk) 22:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, when we use "Englandland", we mean exactly "England". --Billpg (talk) 22:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep looking up "Englandland" into Google has come up with obvious reasons why this one should stay. 71,000 uses in Google is far to many to be implausible. Tavix | Talk  21:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * There are actually about 365 results on Google. 71,000 is the estimation given when counting duplicates. — The Man in Question (in question)  02:25, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Note that use of "Englandland" in a video (on YouTube or otherwise) would not appear in search results. --Billpg (talk) 11:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Comment If Englandland is deleted, then Scotlandland, Irelandland, Norwayland, Kenyaland, Belgiumland, Netherlandsland, and Swedenland should be deleted as well. — the Man in Question (in question)  05:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete - Are all those people above seriously suggesting someone is going to write land twice? Where will they expect to end up?  Scotlandland?  Irelandland? And yet someone has created those redirects also...  This is farcical: obviously these should both go as well. Hope no one thinks of Icelandland,Greenlandland, Van Diemen's Landland or Neverlandland or even Netherlandslands... --Jubilee♫ clipman  00:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC) BTW, Billpg where is Walesland? --Jubilee♫ clipman  00:39, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It would be "Netherlandsland". Walesland is better known as Wales. Like it or not, these are names used by members of a community, no matter how farcical you may think it is. --Billpg (talk) 21:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Now I know you are having a laugh at our expense: you reject Walesland and yet create Norwayland and accept Americaland. What is the difference?  Walesland is not better known as Wales because Walesland does not exist.  Ditto Englandland, Scotlandland, Irelandland, Norwayland, Kenyaland, Belgiumland, Netherlandsland and Americaland: none of these places exist either.  What next, Australialand and New Zealandland?  How about Russialand, Chinaland and Japanland (Let's see if any of these bluelink shall we...?)  While we're here, why not Germanyland, Austrialand, Franceland, Andorraland, Brazilland, Indialand, Kazakhstanland, Iranland, Iraqland, Palauland, United Arab Emiratesland and Vatican Cityland?  Or even (wait for it...) United Kingdomland.  No one is insulting any community here, we are simply pointing out that these are invalid redirects because the names are not real, nor are they used except by people being silly on youTube etc.  Being silly being the point...  (Good grief, none of those I invented bluelinked in the preview!)  --Jubilee♫ clipman  23:33, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't "reject" Walesland, I just never got around to it, or any of the others you mention. Should I make them now? (I'm not going to, just so we're clear.) I've explained the names are real and what they mean. I'm not taking a position if those redirects should stay or not. See my other comment below for a wider clarification of my position. --Billpg (talk) 00:56, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm creating a silly version of List of sovereign states to try to find more of these. Find my list here.  --Jubilee♫ clipman  00:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Question - Is perhaps Czechland viable given that it redirects to Czech lands? --Jubilee♫ clipman  00:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Note that Sierraland, Somalialand, Somaliland, Togoland, and Tongaland are genuine articles/redirects. There may be others but I am only half way through creating my userspace article (random order not ABC).  --Jubilee♫ clipman  01:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - "common practice on youtube" is pretty much the definition of unencyclopedic... Thparkth (talk) 03:10, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Please, keep this discussion civil. There's no need to insult me my community, and I'm abstaining! --Billpg (talk) 21:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. If this is deleted, then Scotlandland and Irelandland should be deleted too. — the Man in Question (in question)  07:09, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Add Norwayland, Kenyaland, Belgiumland, Netherlandsland and Americaland to the list. --Billpg (talk) 21:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also add Swedenland (so far). --Jubilee♫ clipman  01:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That's as many as I can see, unless I knock out or add a few letters or try other alternate names. (NB Where I tried eg Nepalland, I also tried Nepaland; I also tried the more obvious alternates like UKland.)  Anyone spot any more?  --Jubilee♫ clipman  02:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Americaland is used often enough. — the Man in Question (in question)
 * Comment. I'd like to clarify my position here. I really don't care if those redirects are deleted. Go ahead, delete them. Revert every single edit I've ever made to wikipedia if you want to. I've long ago come to see that I wasn't welcome editing wikipedia anymore. I'm here because I was asked to comment on a proposal to remove a redirect I had created, so I did. That's it. --Billpg (talk) 00:56, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying your position. Sorry if I made it personal above.  This has nothing to do with your other edits (which are pretty good as far as I can tell); this is purely to do with these names.  None of them are genuine but are rather like "Mother Christmas" or "MacMacDonalds" (neither of which exist, note): they are silly versions of genuine names.  The silly versions are only used by certain communities as a joke and are not intended to be serious replacements for their genuine namesakes; nor are we expected to treat them seriously at an encyclopedic level.  --Jubilee♫ clipman  01:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not every jocular use needs to be a redirect.  Anyone who uses these terms obviously knows the actual name and would never search under the -land version.  I'm fine with, for instance,  → United States (though we don't have The U.S. of A.), because it's in common enough currency that a non-English speaker might search for it not knowing exactly what it meant.  Likewise  →  Chicago metropolitan area, since that's a very commonly used term.  None of that's true of Englandland, though; the redirect serves no positive purpose and keeping it has the negative result of allowing a smallish online community to propagate its humor in a way that presents it as legitimate.   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 02:44, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - The humour might be appreciated at Uncyclopedia however... --Jubilee♫ clipman 02:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Editions Julliard
The result of the discussion was Delete. Also deleting Éditions Julliard. ~ Amory ( u •  t  •  c ) 02:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Julliard (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Not mentioned on target. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 17:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nom. Although it does receive steady (albeit low) traffic. — the Man in Question (in question)  16:51, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

LainOS
The result of the discussion was Delete ~ Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 01:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → List of Serial Experiments Lain media (links to redirect • [ history] • )

The target article no longer discusses the subject of the redirect, so redirecting it to the target article makes no sense. 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Comment - Presumeably there was a fictional operating system in this series but there is indeed no mention of it in the article. The closest thing is OST (original soundtrack) but that is ruled out by the sectional redirect.  Unless anyone can add the OS back in, this redirect should be deleted.  --Jubilee♫ clipman  03:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)  Addendum - the original LainOS article appears to have been about a real open-source Unix-type OS if you check the history.  I wonder if there has been some confusion along the way with this?  Any one actually heard of LainOS?  --Jubilee♫ clipman  03:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. No mention in target article. — the Man in Question (in question)  07:42, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

How many chromosomes per eukaryotic cell
The result of the discussion was Delete ~ Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 03:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Eukaryote (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → American Civil War (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Hour (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Implausible redirects from questions; Wikipedia is not WikiAnswers. Also, no reason "Civil War" should mean the American Civil War, and "a hour" is bad grammar.  Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 05:17, 5 January 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete PS there's a huge list of these on January 2 -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 21:43, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and per the discussions of 2 January mentioned by Eraserhead1. Cnilep (talk) 23:45, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per RfD: What is wikipedia. — the Man in Question (in question)  02:22, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

COMSATS Insitute of Information Technology
The result of the discussion was Delete ~ Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 01:47, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → COMSATS Institute of Information Technology (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → COMSATS Institute of Information Technology (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Implausible spelling. John Vandenberg (chat) 00:48, 5 January 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete, those are indeed unlikely and the search results will show the correct page anyway.  Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 05:28, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, these arose out of a real mess that I tried to give some order to years ago. They can go now. -- Bduke   (Discussion)  05:42, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Galactic_map
The result of the discussion was delete. –B LACK F ALCON  (T ALK ) 01:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Homeworld (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Not apparent how Homeworld equates to Galactic Map. Shouldn't redirect go to map of Milky Way or disambiguation? 172.163.113.41 (talk) 23:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete or Convert to Disambig, the redirect was created to replace an article which lacked notability, which was about Homeworld, so I can see the relevance, however as the nominator suggests it is potentially confusing as it may have multiple meanings. --Taelus (talk) 11:40, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete The Galactic Map is a concept/tool used in pretty much every space-faring game out there, there's no reason it should just point to Homeworld as opposed to whatever your personal favorite may be. ~ Amory ( u •  t  •  c ) 04:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)