Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 January 7

January 7
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 7, 2010

Zeus pangeasus
The result of the discussion was delete. Jafeluv (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Black hole (links to redirect • [ history] • )

No google hits for this term, no mention of term in target article. Cassandra 73 (talk) 22:30, 7 January 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete per nominator -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 22:34, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. If this was some cod Greek attempt for the sea around Pangaea, that is Panthalassa. Si Trew (talk) 10:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The editor, who created this redirect, is also responsible for those nominated for deletion in section Victor Darnell Hadnot, so one can't help wondering about the motives.  Favonian (talk) 23:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-existent term, useless redirect.  Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 00:50, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Victor Darnell Hadnot
The result of the discussion was delete. Jafeluv (talk) 16:25, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Christian science fiction (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Christian science fiction (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Possibly created as a placeholder for recreation of article which was speedily deleted yesterday (G11/G12). It redirects to Christian science fiction which does not mention this person. He is an author in this genre, but would be unlikely to meet notability guidelines as he appears to be self-published. Cassandra 73 (talk) 22:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * NB - author has since redirected this to African american writers, initially wanted it to redirect to both this and Christian Science fiction (not sure how that would work). I think it should probably be deleted, unlikely many people will be searching for this non-notable author.   pablo hablo. 22:34, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete: The placeholder theory seems very plausible. I have just PROD'ed an article, Eontimeoc, which in its original version contained a barely concealed advertisement for Hadnot's work.  AGF is wearing a bit thin.  Favonian (talk) 23:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:R#DELETE no. 10.  Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 00:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

T:MP
The result of the discussion was delete. Kimchi.sg (talk) 12:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Talk:Main Page (links to redirect • [ history] • )

recreated this, claiming that it "is a high-use redirect to a uniquely located page". But special:whatlinkshere/T:MP says different. &mdash; RHaworth 22:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. According to stats.grok, it's viewed somewhat less often than User talk:Cnilep, and I know that's not a high-use page. More seriously, the redirect is unnecessary. Cnilep (talk) 22:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I have trouble believing such a cross-namespace redirect is useful, given that the correctly-namespaced WT:MP is only one character longer. -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 22:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Shirik. Plus, this shows up on auto-generated article maint lists (how I found it), so it's a PITA (pain in the ass).-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  01:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Grandfather of India
The result of the discussion was Delete ~ Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 19:17, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Swami Dayananda Saraswati (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Recommend delete per. This article was a fork, a copyvio, and now a redirect. I think the redirect is very POVish and the target article doesn't have enough sources to merit the redirect.  Neil N   talk to me  19:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep—the use of the phrase does appear to be sourced. ╟─TreasuryTag► ballotbox ─╢ 19:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Contentious, POV, and not very helpful. &mdash; goethean &#2384; 19:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong keep You seem to be missing the point of redirects. A reader might conceivably know the "Grandfather of India" phrase but not who it applied to. The redirect would get them to the correct article. The fact that it has had a contentious edit history is irrelevant. -Arb. (talk) 22:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, perhaps not the correct article. Here are sources describing another person as the grandfather of India, . The current target may be known as "Rashtrapitamah" among his supporters. "Grandfather of India" is a translation. -- Neil N   talk to me  22:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete The redirect should be deleted per WP:V, WP:SOAPBOX, and WP:HOAX.  Let me explain:
 * There is no reliable source that calls Dayanand as "Rashtrapitamah" or that calls him "Grandfather of India".
 * The article lists a source titled, "Rajender Sethi Rashtra Pitamah Swami Dayanand Saraswati (MRSethi Educational Trust Chandigarh, 2006)", which uses Rashtrapitamah in its title. I have not been able to confirm the existence, let alone the reliability, of this publication outside wikipedia and its mirrors. Worldcat doesn't find the book or author in any library holdings. Given the name of the author and publisher, it is almost surely a self-published (or possibly non-existent) source.
 * "Grandfather of India" is a translation of the presumed (and unverified) title, Rashtrapitamah, and wikipedia should not be in the business of reifying such translated titles through redirects. Furthermore it is the wrong translation. "Rashtrapitamah" correctly translates to "Grandfather of the nation" (cf, Father of the Nation, which are recognition of a person's contributions in obtaining nationhood for a country and are rarely, if ever, substitutable by  "Fathers of America", "Father of India" etc.)
 * While, as I said, no reliable sources for the title in the redirect, there is a campaign on some Arya Samaj related webforums to spread the meme. For example see this post, and note that its author, Rajender Sethi, is the author the dubious source being cited on wikipedia.
 * It's instructive to see how this meme started on wikipedia. It was added to the Dayananda article in February by User:Rajender Sethi. At first the sentence was "'In fact Swami Dayanand rightfully deserves to be called as" Grandfather of India. Later it was changed to the claim that he is called that, and a citation to a dubious reference written by "Rajender Sethi" added. This appears to be simply a one person quest to spread a hoax title on and off-wikipedia.
 * In short, wikipedia is being used as a soapbox here, to create a non-existent title for Dayanand Saraswati. Abecedare (talk) 23:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete, as per Abecedare. This is clearly Arya Samaj meme-spam. rudra (talk) 00:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete the only "Grandfather of India" available according to published sources is Dadabhai Naoroji.--Termer (talk) 02:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Abecedare. With absolutely no reliable evidence that this person—and only, or at least primarily, this person—is called "Grandfather of India," the least that can be said is that the redirect is misleading and implies a point of view.   Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 06:12, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, patent nonsense /hoax. No reliable sources or verifiability. Dadabhai Naoroji is more commonly referred to as "the grand old man of India". If anyone should get this title it would be Rajnarayan Basu - 10 out of the top 10 google search for "grandfather of indian nationalism" which the aryasamaj.org discussion cited by User:Abecedare was trying to usurp.Annette46 (talk) 17:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment From the above impassioned discussion it sounds as though there is a real need for this page either as an explanation (summary of the discussion above) or as a disanbiguation page. The term "Grandfather of the Indian Nation" still appears in Swami Dayananda Saraswati. -Arb. (talk) 02:45, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Schoolyard taunting
The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 05:13, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Wikipedia:Civility (links to redirect • [ history] • )

I'm not entirely clear what significance this redirect has; it's only got two links, one of which appears to refer to its earlier target - don't think it's worth having ╟─TreasuryTag► co-prince ─╢ 18:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete - I don't really think there's much usage of this in WP to warrent a redirect, though further evidence may prove me wrong, Lord Spongefrog, (I am Czar of all Russias!)  11:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Boa Constructor
The result of the discussion was Keep as retargeted. ~ Amory ( u •  t  •  c ) 19:21, 17 January 2010 (UTC) Delete Does not comply with WP:R's list of redirect purposes. The closest applicable purpose would be "Sub-topics or other topics which are described or listed within a wider article.", but Boa Constructor is not even mentioned in the Python (programming language) article and in any case is too tangential/trivial in the context of Python to merit redirecting there. Cyber cobra (talk) 12:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Python (programming language) (links to redirect • [ history] • )


 * It seems to me that if someone enters "Boa Constructor" in the search box intending to find something about the Python programming language, and there's no article titled Boa Constructor, then it should redirect, and possibly be tagged with the "R with possibilities" template. Michael Hardy (talk) 13:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - A better redirect is to wxPython, which is what Boa Constructor more specifically supports; but that article doesn't mention it either (at least not yet; I may update it this weekend to do so). Actually, Boa Constrictor is worthy of its own article, but the most recent version did not make sufficient claims to notability to survive WP:Articles for deletion/Boa Constructor. I think if rewritten, incorporating sources like these, in particular the Martinelli and Hetland books, it could be resuscitated. TJRC (talk) 01:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * See also Boa constructor, the redirect left over from page-moving Boa constructor to Boa Constructor, prior to the latter's merge to Python (programming language). TJRC (talk) 01:20, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep now that I've changed it to redirect to List of integrated development environments for Python. Boa Constructor is at least mentioned there, and a brief feature comparison list is given for it.  Someone might be looking for it, and a table of such comparisons at least provides a bit of relevant content.  LotLE × talk  04:43, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep per Lulu. TJRC (talk) 06:20, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep after LotLE's changes. --Cyber</b> cobra (talk) 06:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

<span id=""A dog is for life, not just for Christmas'"">"A dog is for life, not just for Christmas'"
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Delete ~ Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 02:38, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Dogs Trust (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Dogs Trust (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Dogs Trust (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Apart from the useless quotations marks, there is also a random apostrophe floating around at the end of each of these. — the Man in Question (in question)  10:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete all the quotation marks aren't necessary, and neither is the superfluous apostrophe. -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 11:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I am thinking, however, that having a redirect from A dog is for life not just for Christmas might be useful, if people know the phrase but not that it was the Dogs Trust which originated it - in which case they could plausibly enter it into the search box and expect the correct article to appear. What do you think? -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 11:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think Delete. That is what the search engine is for. Si Trew (talk) 10:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Implausible, unhelpful. YouWillBeAssimilated (talk) 18:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all, as the quotation marks/apostrophe make the redirects implausible. I have created a redirect from A dog is for life not just for Christmas (as suggested above), while a version with the comma has existed since 2006 .  --RFBailey (talk) 18:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all—they're pretty soppy. <font color="#C4112F">╟─TreasuryTag► inspectorate ─╢ 19:04, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all - I have no problem with A dog is for life not just for Christmas, it's reasonably plausible, but the random quotation marks don't really help, <font color="#004225" face="High Tower Text">Lord Spongefrog, <font color="blue" face="High Tower Text">(I am Czar of all Russias!)  11:23, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

" Naxalbari National Heritage Academy"
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete all. There is a strong consensus against redirects with quotes to targets with the same name without quotes. Magioladitis (talk) 11:23, 9 January 2010 (UTC) Business/organization names with quotation marks. As with WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 December 29, quotation marks have no place around a name (or around almost any article title, for that matter). (P.S. Romanian and Estonian names, which in their respective languages frequently use quotation marks, are not listed here because they seem like plausible redirects. P.P.S. None of these are slogans; they are all names.) — the Man in Question (in question)  10:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Naxalbari (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * "4 Recce"
 * "AAA Foundation"
 * "advanced technology ventures"
 * "Alabama Association of School Boards"
 * "an torai"
 * "Ateneo de Cebu"
 * “Athens State Hospital”
 * "Città di Brescia" International Violin Competition
 * "Draper Richards Fellowship"
 * "ernst ruska-centre"
 * "Europe begins at Sarajevo"
 * "Gallery of Maps"
 * "GBS Wang"
 * "Glenwood Public School"
 * "Gol " airways
 * "Institute of Biophysics"
 * "Main Point"
 * "Mel Rubi"
 * "Mid Nordic Film Commission"
 * "Midland and Great Western Railway"
 * "new england light pollution advisory group"
 * «Os Belenenses»
 * "real insurance"
 * "Reef Shipping"
 * "Riverside Ballet Arts"
 * "Sharp Point"
 * 'Sound Shore Medical Center of Westchester'
 * “Star Ferry”
 * "subjective time"
 * "Thomas Harrington Ltd"
 * "thousand points of light"
 * "UNICEF Ireland"
 * "University of Mindanao"
 * "US Venture Partners"
 * "Uster Technologies"
 * "viable paradise"
 * "Walter Energy"
 * "Wave Books"
 * "WBVC" (The CW Plus)
 * "Wong Fu"

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete all even if someone typed in (for example) "Wong Fu" in the search box, they would go to the Wong Fu article without a redirect, so the redirect isn't required. -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 10:33, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all. No utility. YouWillBeAssimilated (talk) 18:29, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all—completely un-necessary. <font color="#00ACF4">╟─TreasuryTag► cabinet ─╢ 19:04, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

"Khoekhoegowap" language
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Delete ~ Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 02:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Khoekhoe language (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Haiǁom people (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Hadza language (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Kxoe language (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Kxoe language (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Khoekhoe language (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Kxoe language (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Needless and unhelpful quotation marks. — the Man in Question (in question)  10:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete all Implausible redirects - I can't imagine many people typing in "Water Bushman" language, for example. -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 10:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all, per nominator. YouWillBeAssimilated (talk) 18:30, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. <font color="#00ACF4">╟─TreasuryTag► consulate ─╢ 19:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

<span id=""Jackson, UT"">"Jackson, UT"
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete per discussion and per previous RfDs. Magioladitis (talk) 23:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Jackson, Utah (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Château Tournefeuille (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → King's Lynn (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Tyres Brae (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Börde Wanzleben (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Grigny, Essonne (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Alabuga (economic zone) (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Y City, Arkansas (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Kosovo Province, Ottoman Empire (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Placenames with quotation marks. As with WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 December 29, quotation marks have no place around a name (or around almost any article title, for that matter). — the Man in Question (in question)  10:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete all Implausible redirects - I can't imagine many people typing in "Vilayet" of Kosovo, for example. -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 11:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all, per nominator. YouWillBeAssimilated (talk) 18:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. <font color="#00ACF4">╟─TreasuryTag► Tellers' wands ─╢ 19:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Does alien life exist
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Delete Does alien life exist, Does the autistic child have a 'theory of mind'?, and Do fish feel pain?, and No Consensus for Does God exist?. ~ Amory ( u •  t  •  c ) 19:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Drake equation (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Existence of God (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Theory of mind (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Pain in fish (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Delete per WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 January 2. Wikipedia is not WikiAnswers. — the Man in Question (in question)  09:54, 7 January 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete all per nom -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 11:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as unsuitable redirects. They suggest debate or discussion, which is not what Wikipedia is for. --Taelus (talk) 13:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all, per nominator. YouWillBeAssimilated (talk) 18:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete #3. Weak keep the remainder—I know that this isn't WikiAnswers, but they seem moderately plausible. <font color="#00ACF4">╟─TreasuryTag► consulate ─╢ 19:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete #3. Weak keep the remainder, agree with Treasury Tag. Does God exist certainly seems like a plausible thing people might enter to go to the page on the existence of God. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 17:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete #1, #3, and #4 as nominator. I admit "Does God exist?" may be a valid redirect. #1's target—Drake equation—is related to the redirect, but is not an answer to the question. — the Man in Question (in question)  02:59, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It answers the question to the same extent that Existence of God answers its question... <font color="#A20846">╟─TreasuryTag► CANUKUS ─╢ 07:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it answers the question to the same extent that The Probability of God answers the question "Does God exist?". The probability of aliens may be 99%, and that does not mean that there is a single alien in existence; or the probability may be 1% and yet the universe may be teeming with them. — the Man in Question (in question)  03:14, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Do you love what you eel
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was speedy deleted WP:CSD. JohnCD (talk) 11:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → Do You Love What You Feel (Rufus song) (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Absurd nonsense. Presumably a typo. — the Man in Question (in question)  09:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete as a typo - I have nominated this for Speedy Deletion under CSD R3 - Implausible typo -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 11:04, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Does he look like a bitch
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete. Jafeluv (talk) 21:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * → Pulp Fiction (film) (links to redirect • [ history] • )

No mention in target article. Random quotes from movies can't all be turned into redirects. — the Man in Question (in question)  09:39, 7 January 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete If this was a main quote from the film, which was mentioned in the target article, I would suggest keeping, but as it is not, I see no reason for keeping, as per nom. -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 11:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom, Phantomsteve. We are not Wikiquote. Si Trew (talk) 10:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Asa Seeley
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was Retarget to List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots ~ Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 19:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * → West Baltimore (MARC station) (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Per this AFD from a year ago, this was to be a redirect to West Baltimore (MARC station). However, with the perspective of time, discussion at Talk:West Baltimore (MARC station) shows there is consensus to not include the Asa Seeley information in the article. Therefore, the redirect should be deleted, as it is now useless and confusing. There was also an AN or ANI thread about this a while ago, which I haven’t found but will hunt for. Floquenbeam (talk) 17:22, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Per Sebwite below, I'll change my comment to: keep redirect but change target to List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots. While I'm not 100% convinced this was an actual assassination attempt or that the material belongs there either, since there has actually been information about Seeley there for a month, it is not confusing, and the obvious target. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

<hr style="width:50%;" /> Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory ( u •  t  •  c ) 05:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, as it is dependant on information which was removed by consensus. --Taelus (talk) 21:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - There is already consensus not to have a standalone article. I agree about that. But there is sourced information on the subject, and I am skeptical as to whether the information should have been removed from that article. This redirect meets none of the criteria for deletion under WP:R and meets multiple criteria under WP:R, most probably all of nos. 1-5. Sebwite (talk) 00:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It meets criteria #2 of WP:R; it is confusing. If there is nothing in the target article about Seeley, then a redirect from Asa Seeley is confusing. The only reason to keep in #1-5 of WP:R that I believe applies is the contribution history issue, but than can be better handled by one of the methods Flatscan proposes on his talk page (see immediately below). --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:38, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It very much meets #5 in WP:R, which says "Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is a liar, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways." The history of this article and redirect, and the page to which it redirects, is actually described in one of the policy/guideline pages as an example of notability, so in this case, it is very much useful and should be kept.
 * It meets #1 of WP:R, which says "They have a potentially useful page history." Though the current version does not seem to be used, the previous versions indeed are.
 * It also should be kept per criteria #3 in WP:R and WP:MANYLINKS. This is a list of pages that link to this redirect. Sebwite (talk) 01:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * AN discussion: WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive205. I explained my comment at User talk:Flatscan: the redirect can be removed from article space, but a less common method of attribution must be used. Flatscan (talk) 07:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the AN link, Flatscan, for some reason I couldn't find it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:38, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete, as per consensus, the information that made the redirect make sense no longer exists within the article to which the redirect lands. Unit  Anode  06:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC) I looked into it deeper, per Sebwite's suggestion below, and have come to the conclusion that this should Kept and the redirect switched to List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots. Seeley is mentioned there, and thus it makes the most sense.  Unit  Anode  07:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * '''This can be resolved not by deleting it, but perhaps by changing the redirect. Sebwite (talk) 22:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete, as per the concensus at the talk page and per WP:R criteria 2 (if I was redirected to that page, I would be confused as to why there is no mention of Seeley). With regard to the pages which link to the Seeley page, only one of them is an article (here), and that mention is referenced - so I have removed the link. The others are in "Wikipedia:" and "User talk:" namespaces. -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 11:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Retarget as per Sebsite below. I'm a dope - I even linked to that article/section in my delete !vote! -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 19:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Criterion #2 mentions if it would cause confusion with another article (the example is Adam Smith vs. Andrew Smith). But there is no article with which there is to be confused here. It is not like "Asa Seeley" vs. "Andrew Seeley." It may, instead, be worthy redirecting it to List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots if it is mentioned there. Sebwite (talk) 22:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * As for the non-mainspace pages, they may seem worthless to them, if you are not the one who has worked on them. But then again, that is when you recall criterion #5 of R#KEEP, about finding it useful. Once again, it states, "If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is a liar, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways."

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 * Retarget as per Sebwite. The only problem I see with that is someone will come along and link Asa Seeley in that article, making a round-trip, but that is small fry. Si Trew (talk) 10:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Retarget as SimonTrew. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 17:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Help links?
<div class="boilerplate mfd" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">The result of the discussion was delete all. Jafeluv (talk) 08:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * → Wikipedia:WikiProject (links to redirect • [ history] • )


 * → Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (links to redirect • [ history] • )


 * → Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (links to redirect • [ history] • )


 * → Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (links to redirect • [ history] • )


 * → Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (links to redirect • [ history] • )


 * → Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (links to redirect • [ history] • )


 * → Wikipedia:Blocking policy (links to redirect • [ history] • )


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 * → Wikipedia:Wikipedians (links to redirect • [ history] • )


 * → Wikipedia:Introduction (links to redirect • [ history] • )


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Unnecessary redirect all created by user MJfan9 in 18 minutes. Those redirect are not probable redirect and they link to articles that are already very easy to access. I ask for deletion as they are unnecessary. Stroppolo talk 02:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

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 * Was going to suggest Strong Delete, and still do. However, it seems this user may be sockpuppeting. -- GSK (talk ● evidence) 02:29, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per RfD: What is wikipedia Josh Parris 02:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note. I have speedied the cross-namespace redirsts under WP:CSD. — <b style="color:#008">Edokter</b> • Talk  • 03:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom and comments here -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 11:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all but consider User Block as a potential redirect, it could be helpful to newbies. However, it might however just be better served by the search... <I>NativeForeigner</I> Talk/Contribs