Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 July 2

July 2
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 2, 2010

Robert David



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Deleted. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:32, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * → Robert D. Sack (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Delete. Redirects to one of many people with the first names 'Robert David', none of whom are known simply as Robert David. Only incoming links are for an ice hockey player of that name. Should be deleted so appears as a redlink. Tassedethe (talk) 15:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete - this was a bot created redirect which would be confusing since the ice hockey player is the most likely search target. Bridgeplayer (talk) 15:40, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

BEST KOREA



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was G4'ed and Salted. Courcelles (talk) 08:13, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * → North Korea (links to redirect • [ history] • )

4chan memes do not belong on Wikipedia. Serious website is serious. Speedy delete and salt this time as per Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 June 23. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 07:17, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

but north Korea seriously is the best Korea. wikipedia puts up with this for other slang and memes. the first that comes to mind is the "moist nugget" meme —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.104.24 (talk) 07:24, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete a really confusing redirect for those who don't know about the meme. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 07:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete and salt per nom. 76.66.195.196 (talk) 07:35, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

A1 People



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Deleted. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:33, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * → List of Electroclash bands and artists (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Redirects to List of Electroclash bands and artists, but "A1 People" is not included in this list. Herostratus (talk) 07:16, 2 July 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete - this band was removed from the target in March 2009. At present, this redirect would be confusing to any searcher. I haven't found a better alternative target. Bridgeplayer (talk) 14:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Setting (education)



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Converted to disambig. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * → Ability grouping (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Unused redirect that confuses several separate concepts (an educational setting [e.g., a classroom], the act of assigning a student into a particular class [UK usage], Ability grouping [small groups of students within a class] or Tracking (education) [class or school assignment determined by perceived academic ability]. A victim of one of several recent edit wars by a very confused, and now blocked, anon. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:44, 2 July 2010 (UTC) As for the "error of fact", I've got a source that says "setting" is the UK equivalent of the American term "regrouping", and (explicitly) that the process of setting is neither an ability group nor a curriculum track.  I've got many sources that draw a distinction between ability groups and curriculum tracks (the sock's interest in this redirect is related to her edit warring to redirect ability grouping to tracking). By far, however, the most common use of the term setting in an educational context is the plain English use (e.g., "in the classroom setting", "in an educational setting") -- a definition that is adequately addressed by the first line of the existing Setting dab page. Consequently, I think this redirect should not exist. What do your sources say? WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:50, 4 July 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Comment - I have notified the creator. Bridgeplayer (talk) 14:25, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Converted to disambiguation page - this term gets a steady supply of hits so is plainly a useful search term. I have also restored the incoming link from Setting, that was removed by the nominator. Bridgeplayer (talk) 15:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it make far more sense to merge any useful information to the main disambiguation page, and delete this? Surely readers aren't best served by hitting Setting, then clicking through to Setting (education), and finally finding (or not) the subject that they were looking for.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:16, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I gave that some thought; however the small inconvenience of an extra click is outweighed by the greater coherence that its own page provides. In addition, Setting (education) requires significant expansion, particularly in the context of educational settings, and when complete would overbalance Setting. Bridgeplayer (talk) 23:14, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think that three lines is going to overbalance Setting. If you want to reduce the length of the lists, there's no reason why the main dab can't have a brief subsection to deal with it (like ALL and thousands of other dab pages).  I'm also not convinced that a dab page for "setting" should contain either Ability grouping or Tracking (education).  These are the two situations in which students are set (in the UK sense), and at various times the articles have discussed that process (under a different name), but they are not actually the process themselves.  In other words, we can reasonably expect that people who want to find these two articles are not going to search on the word "Setting", and dab pages are for things that have similar names.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:45, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You owe an apology for both your gross assumption of bad faith here and your error of fact here. Uncle G (talk) 14:08, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You are obviously not in possession of the full story. I don't think I owe the permabanned sock that was using this IP address any apologies at all:  She is not permitted to edit Wikipedia, full stop.  (She just earned her school a three-month range block from checkuser.)  That she does so primarily to introduce misinformation into special education articles is just an added reason to oppose her efforts to "help".  Misinformation is still misinformation, even when it is introduced in "good faith" (because of the sock's intellectual disabilities, which make it very hard for her to read and understand simple text).
 * You continue to owe that apology, and clearly haven't bothered to check your facts before weighing in with your persistent gross assumptions of bad faith (and, indeed, sex) and errors of fact, which you have just repeated. Start with the address' block log and the notice that is on the top of its talk page.  Uncle G (talk) 22:38, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What makes you believe that this banned user—a student who is known to have used NCC's computers in the past—cannot be using NCC's computers this time? WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:02, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Tina Gayle



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete. SchuminWeb (Talk) 07:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * → Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Request for Deletion - This redirect makes no sense. There is no obvious connection between the individual and the subject of the article. An individual with this name was once a member of the subject organization, but there is no mention of her in the article. This leads to a rather confusing redirect for users who encounter her name-link in other articles. Arx Fortis (talk) 00:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete: not mentioned in any way at the target, so the redirect is not helpful and the user is confusingly required to ponder why they wound up at this cheerleader article.  Redlink may encourage article creation.   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 02:27, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Tina Gayle is an actress who featured in CHiPs, amongst other productions. As can be seen here, she was previously a Cowboys cheerleader. Whether she is notable, I shall leave to others since I am not well versed in popular culture. Meanwhile, I agree that the present redirect is confusing. Bridgeplayer (talk) 02:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)