Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 June 27

June 27
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 27, 2010

Telenovelas



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete all. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:24, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * → Mexican War of Independence (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Sun (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Sex (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Wedding (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → King (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Scream (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → School (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Barbie (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Vagina (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Angel (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Love (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Fixed-wing aircraft (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Love (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Ant (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Televisa (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → America (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Masturbation (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Chris Crocker (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Spain (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Television (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Bolivia (links to redirect • [ history] • )
 * → Television in Spain (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Those names belong to Mexican telenovelas, without their own articles yet. As it can be seen, those redirects are completely inapropiate: the topics of the telenovelas, words that sound similar, or parents topics too above from the telenovelas to actually be of any use (such as the TV channel or the country). Nobody who seeks those articles would be seeking the targeted articles, nor expect to find the information in them. If the article Star Trek didn't exist yet, would you accept it to be a redirect to Space exploration or Trek? MBelgrano (talk) 23:53, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all -- all were created the other day by the same editor, and, as the nom explains, are pointless, misleading, unhelpful, and should have been left as redlinks to encourage article creation. Also, Spanish does not use the character "ň".   Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 01:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - At best these redirects can be described as bizarre! Many of them are listed at List of telenovelas. I should welcome views on redirecting there. That page, does contain some useful imformation for searchers. I am not fully convinced about the benefit of leaving red links as a prompt to article creation. Bridgeplayer (talk) 02:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Wouldn't that create a redirecting loop? The reader that seeks a certain telenovela would appear at a list of telenovelas, where the one he seeks is listed... and following that link takes him to the same place. Only a regular Wikipedia editor would understand what's going on, the casual reader would not understand what's working wrong and how to reach the article he seeks. It's better to be sincere: he won't find the article on the telenovela because it's not written yet. He would see the list anyway in the search results (because the name is written in it), but understanding better the situation. In any case, any of this redirects may be speedily kept and removed from here if the redirection is simply replaced by the missing article, or at least a stub of such article. I did so with one, but the redirects are too many and I would surely leave the work half-made before moving my interest to other topics. MBelgrano (talk) 02:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - the solution is that you remove the links from the 'List of telenovelas' so that fixes the circular redirect problem. If you have just red links then you don't see anything listed in the search box. If we had nothing to offer I agree with red links but the list has the English name and year of production which I think is informative. Bridgeplayer (talk) 13:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete all as completely spurious. Do not retarget to List of telenovelas because R to list entry is for items that are not suitable topics for articles. Per Reasons for deleting #10, it is better that the list contain redlinks for titles that could have their own articles. Full text search will find list entries. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:32, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Corzike



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 * The result of the discussion was deleted. extransit (talk) 01:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * → Black (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Never heard of this and can't find it in my crayola box. -- Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 19:36, 27 June 2010 (UTC) -- Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 19:36, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete - obvious hoax and tagged as G3. If confirmation is needed then see here. Bridgeplayer (talk) 21:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'

They Must Be Giants



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to They Might Be Giants. This is so obviously a mistype; see here, for example, and here, that this could have simply been boldly redirected as wholly uncontroversial. NAC. Bridgeplayer (talk) 22:10, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * → List of Courage the Cowardly Dog episodes (links to redirect • [ history] • )

I can't find any reference to this term in the targeted article. I think it would make more sense for it to redirect to They Might Be Giants Beeblebrox (talk) 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Retarget per Beeblebrox. The Google autocomplete options when you type it in (... lyrics, ... istanbul, ... songs) show this is frequently confused for the band's actual name.  Some say that Courage once had an episode by this title, though none such is listed in our article List of Courage the Cowardly Dog episodes.  At any rate, They Might Be Giants seems like a far more likely and helpful target.   Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 18:04, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Detaining of three Pakistanis in Gaza flotilla raid



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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy deleted by User:Fastily. Rationale: G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page). Non-admin closure.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * → Gaza flotilla raid (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Delete. See Talk:Gaza flotilla raid for rationale. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 17:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete - not a likely search term -see here. Recently created redirect with no history concerns. Bridgeplayer (talk) 17:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as, at minimum, a novel and obscure synonym or paraphrase of the target. This is along the lines of, I don't know, People sneaking into a White House dinner → 2009 U.S. state dinner security breaches, or Launching of the lifeboats during the Titanic sinking → Timeline of the sinking of RMS Titanic.  If anybody tries to search for "X in Gaza flotilla raid, they're perfectly capable of searching for "Gaza flotilla raid," and there seems to be pretty clear consensus on the relevant talk page that the redirect makes no sense.  Besides which, were any Pakistanis detained at all?    Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 17:25, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete As the creator, I think I agree it was a silly redirect. Mar4d (talk) 01:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. If you created the redirect, you can tag it as db-author.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 03:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:BLAME



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:28, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * → User:MZMcBride/Blame wheel (links to redirect • [ history] • )

XNR that could maybe fix the redirect from WikiBlame to WikiBlame. —Duncan What I Do / What I Say 05:30, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: No valid reason for deletion given. The issue with "cross-namespace redirects" is that a user might unintentionally leave the article space and end up in project space. That isn't an issue here. This seems like a case of "but I want it and someone else got to it first." The redirect really isn't used a lot so it could be hijacked, though I don't envision people really wanting to type in "WP:BLAME" to read a page about WikiBlame either. If there's a valid reason for deletion or a change in target, I'm all ears. Otherwise, this nomination seems like a waste of time. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong delete—no valid reason to keep. It's not as if it's even an important or useful page being redirected to, it's just a bit of minor fun at best. Maintaining it would also open up the floodgates: would every editor be allowed to create WP:TREASURY or similar to redirect to their userspace? ╟─TreasuryTag► Regent ─╢ 07:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (I'm also fine with retargetting as suggested.) ╟─TreasuryTag► Tellers' wands ─╢ 10:20, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you mean to say this is a slippery slope? Killiondude (talk) 21:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. ╟─TreasuryTag► prorogation ─╢ 07:24, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Retarget to WikiBlame as a more useful target, but do not keep. Bridgeplayer (talk) 10:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol! I kinda like the blame wheel.. has it always pointed to Jimbo? heheh Keep. -- &oelig; &trade; 11:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a valid reason to keep. ╟─TreasuryTag► stannary parliament ─╢ 15:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC
 * Thanks for the link. I'm very much aware of what is and isn't a valid reason to keep, as is the closing admin, who I'm sure is capable of accurately judging the outcome of this discussion without your commentary for each individual argument that you happen to NOT LIKE ;)  &oelig; &trade; 15:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - There's no reason that an article in the Wikipedia namespace should redirect to the user namespace. This implies that Wikipedia endorses the "blame wheel".  There is a much more appropriate target for this redirect in the Wikipedia namespace (WP:WikiBlame).   Snotty Wong   talk 18:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - so, by implication, you are OK with a retarget? Bridgeplayer (talk) 22:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Taelus  ( Talk ) 09:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Harmless. Killiondude (talk) 21:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In this case inaccurate and anyway no reason to keep. ╟─TreasuryTag► person of reasonable firmness ─╢ 22:08, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I am not sure that it is harmless. Of course, for insiders it is a good joke. But for casual users, who may well miss the distinction between project and user space, it could be misleading. Bridgeplayer (talk) 22:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Bridgeplayer, I understand your concern, but we're creating hypothetical situations here. What if the sky fell? Not to belittle you personally, I just don't accept your argument. If a "casual user" comes across this (whether it be a transclusion or link) it won't be in the articlespace, so they either a) won't be a "casual user" or b) will already be in a namespace they are unfamiliar with. TreasuryTag, thanks.  Killiondude (talk) 06:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ...well I hope you're not looking for applause for that? ╟─TreasuryTag► prorogation ─╢ 07:24, 17 June 2010 (UTC
 * Comment - oh, goodness. What have I done? Look, the reasoning behind my nomination is that the XNR should not go from the WP: space to the User:. There are other ways of attracting attention to this. Maybe (and a remote 'maybe,' at that) it'd be okay in the case of an essay or something. But this is just a funny wheel that changes the pointer every now and then. The redirect is not needed. To MZMcBride, I guess, yes, I do want to steal your redirect and hijack it to point to WP:WikiBlame because it needs a shortcut anyway. WP:WB is taken, so that's the next best thing. If I wasn't supposed to do this whole RfD, then, I do apologize, and I'll be WP:BOLDer next time and just steal it. —Duncan What I Do / What I Say 15:49, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * A good way of getting wider exposure to a page is to categorize it, which I've gone ahead and done. It's in Category:Wikipedia humor now so it should still attract some attention even without the redirect. -- &oelig; &trade; 19:32, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. In no way should the outcome of this RfD affect how arbcom makes their decisions ;) &oelig; &trade; 12:50, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Relisted to allow time to gain consensus, as near the end of the discussion the idea of retargetting it had been played with, which I feel could benefit from further discussion. [The wheel says this is ArbCom's fault by the way. :)] -- Taelus  ( Talk ) 09:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Retarget to WP:WikiBlame, as being more useful, less confusing, and in project space rather than userspace. The blame wheel is vaguely cute, but retargeting to an obvious and legitimate target seems like an absolute no-brainer.   Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 17:09, 27 June 2010 (UTC)