Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 September 23

September 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 23, 2010

Wikipedia:Shut up and edit



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * → Be bold (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Nominating for deletion: rather bitey, I would not want to be told to "shut up" if I wasn't bold enough, and I doubt anyone else would either. —  Tivedshambo   (t/c) 19:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete&mdash;rather offensive. If you were complaining about an article on a talk page, would you want to be told to "Shut up and edit"? A redirect like WP:SOFIXIT captures the intent without being so hostile. –Grondemar 23:30, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - unused; needlessly provocative. Bridgeplayer (talk) 00:20, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - not useful and will do more harm than create a collegial environment Lenticel ( talk ) 00:48, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete unused and inappropriate. Hut 8.5 10:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment We do have a page called Don't give a fuck D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  05:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - the phrase isn't that offensive IMO given that we have Don't give a fuck and Don't be a dick. That said, I haven't heard of Be bold being referred to in this way.— Chris! c / t 04:18, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

TelecomPioneers



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Kept. TelecomPioneers was a previous name of the organization per the article. It is also their current domain name. This is a likely search phrase. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * → Pioneers, a Volunteer Network (links to redirect • [ history] • )

It seems unlikely that anyone searching for "TelecomPioneers" would be looking for that specific organization -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:21, 23 September 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. This page was created by an editor and immediately redirected, essentially an attempt to "squat" a Wikipedia article name akin to squatting a website url. Cindamuse (talk) 18:33, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete&mdash;confusing redirect. –Grondemar 23:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - recently created and unlikely search term. Bridgeplayer (talk) 00:18, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - do your homework. The former name of Pioneers was TelecomPioneers. I suggest Zebedee try using Google before making assumptions. Jdtrout (talk) 02:55, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The former name appears to be "Telephone Pioneers of America". "Telecom pioneers/TelecomPioneers" is a general English-language phrase that is not owned by that organization, which is pretty much unknown outside of the USA - and I would expect only a minority of people using it as a search term would be looking for the organization itself. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:56, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Retarget to History of telecommunication rather than delete. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Telecompioneers



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Kept. TelecomPioneers was a previous name of the organization per the article. It is also their current domain name. This is a likely search phrase. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * → Pioneers, a Volunteer Network (links to redirect • [ history] • )

It seems unlikely that anyone searching for "Telecompioneers" would be looking for that organization specifically -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:20, 23 September 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete. This page was created by an editor and immediately redirected, essentially an attempt to "squat" a Wikipedia article name akin to squatting a website url. Cindamuse (talk) 18:33, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete&mdash;confusing redirect. –Grondemar 23:32, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - recently created and unlikely search term. Bridgeplayer (talk) 00:18, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - reasonable misspelling of the former name of the Pioneers, which was TelecomPioneers Jdtrout (talk) 02:52, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The former name appears to be "Telephone Pioneers of America". And isn't "Telecompioneers" also a reasonable misspelling of someone just looking for pioneers of the telecoms industry in general? It is quite a wide world, and the specific organization is pretty much unknown outside of the USA. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:54, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Retarget to History of telecommunication rather than delete. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Telephone Pioneers of America



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * → Pioneers, a Volunteer Network (links to redirect • [ history] • )

It's unlikely that anyone searching for "Telephone Pioneers of America" would be looking for that specific organization - more likely Bell and the early telecoms companies themselves -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:18, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. This page was created by an editor and immediately redirected, essentially an attempt to "squat" a Wikipedia article name akin to squatting a website url. Cindamuse (talk) 18:33, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: As stated in the article's lede:  "Pioneers, a Volunteer Network is a non-profit charitable organization based in Denver, Colorado, U.S. It was founded in 1911 in Boston as the Telephone Pioneers of America"'.
 * The Telephone Pioneers, a.k.a. the Telecom Pioneers, are well known in telecommunications history and are actually quite an important organization. They are far better known under those older names. There's absolutely no reason to restrict usage of the valid redirect pages. I have no relationship with the organization b.t.w., having read of them during my work on telecommunication articles. Best:  HarryZilber (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Keep this redirect as it is a former name of the organization. –Grondemar 23:33, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - former name of the target so a valid redirect. Bridgeplayer (talk) 00:13, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - original name of the Pioneers, as stated previously Jdtrout (talk) 02:53, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Withdraw/Keep. Ah yes, sorry, I missed that part - a redirect from its old name sounds fine. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Telecom pioneers



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget to History of telecommunication. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * → Pioneers, a Volunteer Network (links to redirect • [ history] • )

It's unlikely that anyone searching for "Telecom pioneers" would be looking for that specific organisation - more likely they'd be looking for Bell, Marconi, and the like -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. This page was created by an editor and immediately redirected, essentially an attempt to "squat" a Wikipedia article name akin to squatting a website url. Cindamuse (talk) 18:33, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: As stated in the article's lede:  "Pioneers, a Volunteer Network is a non-profit charitable organization based in Denver, Colorado, U.S. It was founded in 1911 in Boston as the Telephone Pioneers of America"'.
 * The Telephone Pioneers, a.k.a. the Telecom Pioneers, are well known in telecommunications history and are actually quite an important organization. They are far better known under those older names. There's absolutely no reason to restrict usage of the valid redirect pages. I have no relationship with the organization b.t.w., having read of them during my work on telecommunication articles. Best:  HarryZilber (talk) 19:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete&mdash;confusing redirect. Too vague. –Grondemar 23:34, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Retarget to History of telecommunication&mdash;better idea. Good call! –Grondemar 12:44, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Retarget to History of telecommunication - entirely useful search term. The suggested retarget names the pioneers that a reader is likely to be looking for. Bridgeplayer (talk) 00:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - reasonable misspelling of the former name of the Pioneers, which was TelecomPioneers Jdtrout (talk) 02:53, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Retarget to History of telecommunication, which has some pioneers mentioned in it. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 05:13, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Retarget to History of telecommunication per above; when I see the term, I think of the pioneers in telecommunication, not some unknown organizations— Chris! c / t 20:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Retarget to History of telecommunication rather than delete. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Lopapc



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete. Jafeluv (talk) 10:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * → Glossary of pseudoscience (links to redirect • [ history] • )

Implausible redirect, though not recently created. - 2/0 (cont.) 05:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Delete - This was a short-cut that stood for "List of pseudosciences and pseudoscientific concepts". We don't now use short-cuts for articles so it is now redundant and, with its meaning receding into the mists of time, it is confusing. This has not been substantively picked up by the mirrors so deletion will cause no problem. Bridgeplayer (talk) 13:03, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete&mdash;confusing redirect. We shouldn't be using Wikipedia space style shortcuts in article space. –Grondemar 23:35, 23 September 2010 (UTC)