Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 June 22

June 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 22, 2012

Klingon language (disambiguation)



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was move without redirect to Klingon languages, overwriting the redirect already there. Thryduulf (talk) 10:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * → Klingon language (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Former disambiguation page that, per discussion on talk page, is no longer necessary and as "Klingon language (disambiguation)" is an unlikely search term, should be deleted as a redirect William Thweatt TalkContribs 22:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep to ensure our compliance with the attribution requirements of GFDL and CC-BY-SA. That page was originally at Klingon languages and has a significant history.  While the content has now been merged to other pages (and reasonably so, in my opinion), we are still obligated to preserve the history of those contributions pre-merger.  (A history-merge is infeasible on pages this old - it would generate false diffs as the page versions were intermingled.)  The redirect title may now seem a bit counter-intuitive but it is doing no harm.  Tag it with unprintworthy and leave it be.  Rossami (talk) 23:03, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Significant history? I've just gone through the history and I can't really find anything I'd deem significant. Which content exactly has been merged, and where? Is it even still present there? If you insist on keeping those old revisions, I propose that the page be moved back to Klingon languages (as a redirect), and Klingon language (disambiguation), then without any possibly significant history left, be deleted. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 09:00, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: "Significance" in the sense that you are using the term is not part of the attribution requirements of our licenses at all.  The pagehistory records every addition of a template or correction of a typo and the license requires us to do that.  "Significant" in my usage meant only that there were multiple edits such that the moved content could not be easily attributed via an edit-summary comment on the destination page.  By the way, whether the moved content is still on an active page somewhere does not necessarily relieve us of our obligations - that is a point of open debate among scholars studing open-source licenses like ours.  In projects like ours where past content can be summarily restored, there is arguably never a time when it becomes safe to purge contribution history of good-faith edits.  Rossami (talk) 20:20, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think its possible to simply merge the histories no?·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 21:14, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Move without redirect to Talk:Klingon language/page history D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  03:23, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Move without redirect to Talk:Klingon language/page history per User:Dondegroovily. Excellent solution. bd2412  T 17:36, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Move without redirect to Klingon languages, per Florian Blaschke, since that redirect has no history of its own to worry about. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:53, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
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刘洋



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Liu Yang. Thryduulf (talk) 11:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * → Liu Yang (astronaut) (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

I came across this doing RC patrol and had a question. I've never seen redirects from foreign scripts and I couldn't find anything regarding them on WP:REDIRECT. I know Redirects Are Cheap, but are people really using non-latin script to search the English WP? William Thweatt TalkContribs 22:43, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, quite commonly. The relevant page is WP:FORRED.  One of the reasons they are allowed is that some readers (like me) will occasionally see a foreign-language concept and try cut-and-paste into a search engine.  To the extent that the foreign phrase or name is especially notable, a redirect will take me to the English-language page where I can learn about the topic.  In this case, it does appear that the topic passes our notability requirements and the redirect is the original name of the subject.  The only question I have in this case is whether 刘洋 should be a straight redirect or whether the name is sufficiently common that it should be a disambiguation page.  The fact that the target page carries the "(astronaut)" disambiguator suggests the latter but I don't know the language well enough to be sure.  Rossami (talk) 22:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you for the explanation.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 00:36, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Two characters Chinese name mean it's highly likely there will be a number of people with such a name, more than one of which will meet the notability criteria for inclusion on here. The equivalent zh.wp page is a disambiguation page with 3 blue links and a number of red most if not all of which meet WP:N for an articles even if they don't exist yet on en.wp. KTC (talk) 00:51, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep and redirect to Liu Yang - While the astronaut is the only person with exactly such a Chinese name with an article at the moment, zh.wp page suggests there's a number of other people with this name that would meet our notability guidelines that someone might well search for. KTC (talk) 00:51, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep We have a lot of non-English titles with lettering not found in the English alphabet, why should this be different? This title is the original language name for the target, so is a viable search term. 70.49.127.65 (talk) 04:07, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Liu Yang, as there are other people with this name. In fact, it seems to be quite common, as I found links intended for an actor and various athletes while disambiguating them. D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  03:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Liu Yang per User:Dondegroovily-- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
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Karl Sellan



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 * The result of the discussion was delete both. Thryduulf (talk) 11:06, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * → Karl Sellan (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Braden Walls (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

"Soft redirects to non-English language editions of Wikipedia should be avoided because they will generally be unhelpful to English-language readers" as per WP:SRD. KTC (talk) 10:25, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Nominations merged. Rossami (talk) 11:51, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I concur. If they are notable enough for inclusion here, a redlink will serve the project better.  Rossami (talk) 11:51, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete both, redlinks will encourage creation of an article here. D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  23:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete to encourage creation of their English articles.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:15, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:G6. I often find these and tag them for CSD G6. What's more, they tend to get deleted. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:46, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
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