Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 August 20

August 20
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 20, 2013.

Lauren Gray



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:08, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * → American Idol (season 11) (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

No mention in the article it is redirected to. Subject in context not necessarily notable. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 22:56, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No, the subject in context is not notable. I created that article last year and then it was pointed out to me that the person in question is not notable enough for an article. Because Lauren Gray was a contestant in the early stages of American Idol (season 11), that is why it is redirected there. The early stages of the competition aren't necessarily noted in the seasonal articles. Regards,  Creativity  97  23:00, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:RFD point 2. We have several articles mentioning a Lauren Gray eg 2010 Australian Manufacturers' Championship, 2010 World Junior Curling Championships etc so pointing the redirect to a page where Lauren Gray is not mentioned would simply confuse the reader making them wonder why they were brought to that page. The Whispering Wind (talk) 00:05, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - No mention is made of Gray at the target article. -- Whpq (talk) 13:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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WikiProject Georgia



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete. The !votes were close, but avoiding the encouragement of cross-namespace redirects is a strong policy argument.  bd2412  T 21:27, 7 October 2013 (UTC)


 * → WikiProject Georgia (country) (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 11:38, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) {R.del#6} WP:CNSR - Cross NameSpace Redirect (XNR)
 * 2) {R.del#2} highly ambiguous redirect - WP:WikiProject Georgia (U.S. state)
 * Keep.  While this is a recently created CNR, there are thousands like it, and it was obviously created to be useful to the editors who contribute to the project on the nation of Georgia.  It has been properly categorized so it will not appear in a printed version of Wikipedia. –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 17:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Why would you favour Stalin's homeland over the Peach State? -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 03:28, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Good one. The redirect was created to be useful to those editors who work on the country's project, not on the US state's project.  Now that I see that a dab page exists ( needs expansion? ), then to retarget this redirect to that dab page, WP:WikiProject Georgia, may be the best solution as indicated below. –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 10:09, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 *  Delete  Retarget to WP:WikiProject Georgia per nom. I don't have a problem with cross-namespace redirects that begin with "WikiProject", but since this one has two likely targets, it does more harm than good.  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 18:23, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with retargetting to the dab page WikiProject Georgia ? Siuenti (talk) 21:05, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Figured something like that exists. Vote changed to retarget.  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 22:05, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Retarget per Siuenti. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:43, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Retarget to WP:WikiProject Georgia. Almost certainly the more likely target. bd2412  T 17:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. As an ambiguous, recently created cross-namespace redirect, it's more trouble than it's worth. --BDD (talk) 19:01, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP:RFD - I agree with BDD. It is only recently created and a good proportion of the folks using it will finish in the wrong place. I agree that the retarget deals with the ambiguity but we should not be encouraging CNRs. Let's be pragmatic and get shot. The Whispering Wind (talk) 12:57, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. As an ambiguous, recently created cross-namespace redirect. Ruslik_ Zero 09:28, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete first choice, as unnecessary cross-space redirect. Redirect to the dab as second choice. older ≠ wiser 12:25, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
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Sabrina J. Spellman the Conqueror



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:10, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * → Sabrina Spellman (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

No incoming links to this redirect. Not a valid name for this fictional character. Will never be a search target Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:20, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * This redirect was created as part of a series of vandalism edits to the article Sabrina, the Teenage Witch (TV series) made August 15, 2012 see, and . Same editor created the redirect. See also Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 August 16 --Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:32, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Agree with the nom as I found no references for this outside Wikipedia. –  Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 21:04, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Should be speedied, but agreed that nobody will use this as a redirect.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 04:01, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely synonym.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:14, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note that the creator of this redirect also created the deleted Her Majesty the Queen Sabrina J. Spellman redirect—in one sitting, judging by the history. --BDD (talk) 19:10, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
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Sabrina J. Spellman



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 * The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 09:22, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * → Sabrina Spellman (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

No incoming links to this redirect. Not a valid name for this fictional character. Will never be a search target. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:12, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * This redirect was created as part of a series of vandalism edits to the article Sabrina, the Teenage Witch (TV series) made August 15, 2012 see, and . Same editor created the redirect. See also Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 August 16 --Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:32, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. This website shows that there are external sites that refer to the character as "Sabrina J. Spellman", so this is a valid search term. –  Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 21:02, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * TV.com's episode pages are user-generated (note the "edit" buttons near each section.) For now, I'm going to go with Delete since no reliable sources seem to give her full name and Wikipedia shouldn't be used as a platform for stuff some fan made up, even if it is a redirect.  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 22:05, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You may be in the zone, but I'll stay with a weak "Keep" for now, because there are other websites found during a search for "Sabrina J. Spellman" that refer to the character by that name in their cast list. There was even a website that speculated that, while the series never gave her middle name, the "J" was taken from the middle name of the cast member, Melissa "Joan" Hart, who fills the role.  It may still be a viable search term. –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 01:13, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * People are much more likely to type "Sabrina J Spellman" into a search anyway and that search gives Sabrina Spellman as the first search result then gives other related topics. The name with the initial is a fan creation. The redirect is not useful and having the redirect implies that the name is somehow a valid alternative name or a misspelling of a valid name, which it isn't. --Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:31, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Only the crufters actually care about middle initials when it comes to fictional character articles. Unless the initial is used all the time in a show, it shouldn't be here, and TV.com information is something I cull upon sight as unsourced fan information. You don't see Lorelai V. Gilmore, Rory L. Gilmore or other examples here because nobody would ever search using those names because they were never known by that. And using Paine's example that the J. comes from fanspec makes it even more likely that this is an unsourced name for the character.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 04:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep-"Official" or not, there's a reasonable possibility that someone may search for this, so it makes sense for it to redirect to an article on their intended subject. Redirects are cheap. --Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note that the creator of this redirect also created the deleted Her Majesty the Queen Sabrina J. Spellman redirect—in one sitting, judging by the history. --BDD (talk) 19:10, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, misleading and therefore harmful. Siuenti (talk) 05:22, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
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Angstrom (company)



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 * The result of the discussion was Keep. Ruslik_ Zero 09:19, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * → Angstrem (company) (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Incorrect transcription from Russian-variant (this name must be transcripted, not translated). Variant Angstrom is used for another companies overwhelming principally. Alex Spade (talk) 08:59, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment if these other companies have articles, then disambiguate it, otherwise, there doesn't seem to be a problem -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 15:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Only note one company, Angstrom Medica → Pioneer Surgical Technology found during a check for both "Angstrom" and "Angström" at Special:PrefixIndex. Suggest we keep it as a harmless search term. –   Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 10:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - no ambiguity at present (it can be disambiguated in the future if necessary) and it is a highly plausible typo as shown firstly by an article being created with this name and secondly Angstrem (disambiguation) states that "Angstrem (Russian: Ангстрем) is a Russian variant of transcription for Swedish surname Ångström". The Whispering Wind (talk) 16:20, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
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