Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 August 6

August 6
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 6, 2013.

Scarlet pimpernel



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Retarget to Scarlet Pimpernel (disambiguation). Ruslik_ Zero 11:20, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


 * → Anagallis arvensis (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

I propose retargeting to The Scarlet Pimpernel. It's clear from some searching (Google Books; ) that the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this term is the book and its derivative works, not the plant. BDD (talk) 21:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Retarget to The Scarlet Pimpernel as primary topic. Caps might distinguish a titled work from a common-noun primary topic, but they are not as useful in the other direction (searchers often defaulting to lowercase for all search terms). -- JHunterJ (talk) 21:57, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Retarget to dab. Not the "clear" PT, because it isn't even clear that the baroness's play/novel is all that clearly the PT: it's the origin of the character, but the character has developed its own tradition as a type of elusive bandit—as indicated by the number of works listed at The Scarlet Pimpernel (disambiguation). Of these, of course the baroness's work is primary, but since "scarlet pimpernel" lowercase is a common name for the plant, it seems more helpful to direct the lowercase use without the titular "The" to the dab. Cynwolfe (talk) 23:03, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Retarget to The Scarlet Pimpernel (disambiguation) per Cynwolfe. Both targets are mentioned there anyways.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 15:04, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Either Keep for consistency as a non-scientific name or retarget to Scarlet Pimpernel (disambiguation) . Either way resolves the issue just as well; however, I would recommend keeping the redirect, as it is potentially very helpful as a search term.&emsp;&mdash;  | J  ~  Pæst  | &#8202; 20:36, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * As a search term, it is much more likely to be useful if you retarget it to The Scarlet Pimpernel -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 10:16, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
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World's greatest r&b singer



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 * The result of the discussion was Deleted speedily per R3. JHunterJ (talk) 23:20, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Somewhat POVish as the redirects could pertain to any number of artists depending on one's own preferences. Mr. Showbiz could be Bob Hope, the God of R&B might be Barry White, the world's greatest R&B singer is Marvin Gaye, and R&B hitmaker would be Barry Gordy. Choose your own names and they would equally apply. R. Kelly is just not the obvious and certainly not the only possible target. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 20:08, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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Worlds greatest



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 * The result of the discussion was Delete all except Worlds greatest, World's greatest and The world's greatest. Ruslik_ Zero 11:29, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure that one searching by these terms would necessarily be looking for the target article. They are somewhat ambiguous. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 18:26, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * → The World's Greatest (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → The World's Greatest (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → The World's Greatest (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
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 * Delete (or disambiguate) clearly not the world's greatest, since they don't redirect to Cassius Clay. And "world's greatest song" clearly isn't this either, though that redirect is more problematic -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:09, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep except for the two with "I'm" at the beginning, very obvious search terms for this title. Feel free to disambiguate if there are other likely targets. Siuenti (talk) 06:30, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep except for the two with "Im" at the beginning, but complete the move of The World's Greatest to The World's Greatest, per the db-move in 2010 and WP:PRECISION. -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:47, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete the two with "song" at the end, as most people searching for that would not be expecting a song entitled "World's Greatest." Also delete the ones with "Im" at the beginning. Keep the others. Beerest355 Talk 20:09, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I have moved the page The World's Greatest (song) to The World's Greatest. This is probably noncontroversial, but I think I should let you guys know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beerest355 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 9 August 2013


 * Delete the second, third, fourth, and fifth redirects as inconsistent/nonsensical; keep the first, sixth, and seventh as likely searches.&emsp;&mdash;  | J  ~  Pæst  | &#8202; 01:43, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete "The World's Greatest" is a generic term and WP has the following articles The World's Greatest Tag Team, The World's Greatest Super Friends, The World's Greatest Athlete and World's Greatest Athlete, The World's Greatest Magic, The World's Greatest Superheroes, The World's Greatest Sinner, The World's Greatest Entertainer, The World's Greatest International Hits, The World's Greatest Super-Heroes, The World's Greatest Gospel Singer, The World's Greatest Unsolved Crimes. There are others missing "The" at the start of the article name others which include the words "World's Greatest." Therefore The World's Greatest is commonplace and should be a redirect/disambiguation and the concept that the R Kelly song is only/primary topic for the term should be squashed with extreme prejudice.--Richhoncho (talk) 18:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Richhoncho, I'm not sure I totally understand what you mean. No other articles are named The World's Greatest. As such, the R. Kelly song should stay at that title. Perhaps a hatnote could be added to link to a disambiguation page.  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 23:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * As User:76... says above, it doesn't redirect to Cassius Clay. Truth is "World's Greatest" is a common term with no primary topic. For it to go to a song which most of WP has never heard of is a little bit silly, don't you think? --Richhoncho (talk) 02:51, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. These are all definite keepers. If ever there were a better primary topic, then fire away.  The combination of a song titled "The World's Greatest" with the fact that it's on the soundtrack of the movie Ali, which is about "I'm the greatest!" boxing champion Muhammad Ali (Gaseous Cassius) is the compelling argument.  Strong keep. –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 03:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The terms "world's greatest" and "the world's greatest" are nonetheless extremely ambiguous terms. I think you would agree as well.&emsp;&mdash;  | J  ~  Pæst  | &#8202; 07:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. That does not change my decision, though.  Still an obvious and strong keep. –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 11:05, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
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<span id="East Chester Township, New Jersey">East Chester Township, New Jersey
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * → Moorestown Township, New Jersey (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Nowhere in the Moorestown Township article does it state that it was once called East Chester. I could not find any reliable sources on the subject. Tinton5 (talk) 00:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. The creation rationale five years ago was, "This was never created but was proposed in 1917 as almost the same as the present Moorestown (formed 1922)." So apparently it was thought that someone might search for it.  When an external search is performed, there is a lot about Chester Township, New Jersey, which is in Morris County (the non-existant East Chester would have been in Burlington County).  Lean toward deletion; this one should probably go. –   Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 01:01, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Who gives a fuck? Just don't get in the way when someone eventually adds the history and recreates the redirect. --NE2 03:24, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * This must be one of your favorites? You created it over five years ago.  Will you make us wait another five?  (Remember:  if one were to add the history into the article now, then the nom's rationale would no longer apply.)  Joys! –   Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 08:30, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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